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Author Topic: what do YOU call the non steampunkers?  (Read 1699 times)
Aubreay Fallowfield
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« on: October 16, 2014, 10:48:54 am »

Having a chat over a pint in the public house the other day we were wondering what delightful terms of reference other insightful chaps and chapettes call those from the non-steampunk world, particularly those who "Love what you're wearing!", or enquire "Is this some sort of special event or day?"

A lot of us, not all, in the WMSA use the term "Muggles"
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2014, 11:47:20 am »

I call them people, or if I know their names I'll use those.

I've heard folk called all sorts though; Normie's, muggles, mundanes etc.. To be honest I find that kind of thing pretty cringeworthy, it often somes across as isolationist or arrogant (always puts me in mind of the certain daily hate rag papers and their 'honest hard working tax payers' attitude).

When it comes down to it we're all nothing but folk.

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2014, 12:31:01 pm »

Agree with the fact that we are all folk but us folk do love putting ourselves and others in boxes.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2014, 12:41:11 pm »

Having a chat over a pint in the public house the other day we were wondering what delightful terms of reference other insightful chaps and chapettes call those from the non-steampunk world, particularly those who "Love what you're wearing!", or enquire "Is this some sort of special event or day?"

A lot of us, not all, in the WMSA use the term "Muggles"

I am not a "steampunker." I am a Steampunk. I am a Steampunk regardless of what I am wearing or what I am doing at any given moment.

Being an old-school geek, I tend to refer to person who are not part of a geekdom as "Mundanes." Many Mundanes are as fervent in their own hobbies as we are in ours. Have you ever seen how a serious golfer or yachtsman dresses on his days off?
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2014, 12:47:35 pm »

Thank you Dr Fidelius. Indeed I would think that some golfers may look upon us Steampunk folk with numerous thoughts from derision to admiration, even on their days off Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2014, 02:18:24 pm »


I am not a "steampunker." I am a Steampunk. I am a Steampunk regardless of what I am wearing or what I am doing at any given moment.


Agreed.  Everyone else is just uninformed, ie future steampunks.
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2014, 02:47:51 pm »

People
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2014, 03:51:24 pm »

Sirs there have been some appalling ideas propagated on this thread. It seems the ugly spectre of liberalism is among us. Categorising people into little boxes is how the Empire works. Imagine if we could no longer dismiss a persons pain because they were a member of this or that social group that we did not like. How then could we sleep at night after ordering the deaths of say a few dozen Chartists if we thought of them as actual people somewhat like ourselves. What may I ask would happen to the old boys network if one was to treat some person unmentioned equally to a dreg of a swat from one's own alumni. No we should stand together and place all these people into little boxes, otherwise we would have to face the dismal task of treating each man as an individual.
Therefore to this end I present the following groups;

Tee-surfs
Shoddies
The spatless  
Flabbies (due to the lack of corsets)
Unhatters
The throng
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The dirty filthy wastrels that do not give due reverence when one of their betters walks among them.
I have passed all these terms by the memsahib's eye and am assured they are all afternoonified. So they will not upset the pretty little ladies.

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2014, 04:39:29 pm »

in may case it's simple - nothing...

As in the same way I don't differentiate between my black friends and non-black friends, or gay and non-gay, Alien species or slumbering ancient sea gods of the old religion...etc... It's pointless really, everybody is both "something" and not "something else" at the same time. Wink


Except for 'Charvers' / 'Chavs' (and whatever else they are called). Those I tend to differentiate between 'us humans' and 'thing'!  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2014, 05:12:13 pm »

in may case it's simple - nothing...

As in the same way I don't differentiate between my black friends and non-black friends, or gay and non-gay, Alien species or slumbering ancient sea gods of the old religion...etc... It's pointless really, everybody is both "something" and not "something else" at the same time. Wink


Except for 'Charvers' / 'Chavs' (and whatever else they are called). Those I tend to differentiate between 'us humans' and 'thing'!  Grin




Pretty much the same for me.
Exceptions:
-We geocachers call other people "muggles."
-"Chavs," for the obvious and same reasons.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2014, 06:19:25 pm »

Hooman Beans...Wink
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2014, 10:36:10 pm »

Unfortunates?  The unenlightened, perhaps?  But yes, mostly nothing.

Jonb, I must respectfully take issue with your observation that lack of corsets makes a Flabby.  Too often have I observed ladies of, shall we say, more generous proportions oozing over the top (or, worse, through the laces) of an ill-fitting corset.  Granted this is getting away from the topic of this discussion, but I feel I must digress to issue a plea to such ladies to get a little help with the fitting of their corsets, or get an intimate acquaintance to take a photo of the back view for their edification.  Ladies with cuddly bits are a delight, but corsets with bulges unconcealed by a blouse or at least a built-in modesty panel probably do not give the elegant look you're trying to achieve.

Digression over.  As you were.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2014, 11:26:16 pm »

Punks in the 70s called non punks androids and  straights

Android evolution has come along way and some could be considered very steampunk.

That   leaves "Straights" which can still be suitably  offensive if you spit it out with enough invective.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2014, 12:51:14 am »

I have to admit I am a glass half full sort of cove, and always look on the bright side of things. So although there does seem to be an element of liberalism here, and although I do not know what the Dicken's a 'chav' is when it is at home, at least a few of you are prejudiced against these people, which is good, so all we better informed fellows now have to do is expand your rightly held prejudice a little.
Dear madam Hurricane you are right:
Even the most innocuous word could become derogatory if spoken with a certain inflection, I could imagine that even a totally happy word both in meaning and sound such as 'gay' could be said with such venom that there might be somebody who may take exception to its use. True that is a little far fetched, but I think you will understand the general direction I am pointing towards even in such a limp way.
Dear Colonel Hawthorne,
Sir I must say that for all the waffle there is about in these latter days of the nineteenth century it takes a military man of experience to cut though it and get to the facts. I bow to your much greater knowledge of women's under garments and the effect of these things, I was only a subaltern for a short while, when I received a rather nasty knick from a sharpened stake wielded by a native at the Battle of Peterloo, and was consequently invalided out of the militia on a small pension. Therefore I missed many of the goings on in the officer's mess where a young Rupert learns about these things.
Further sir I must applaud you, not just in that you have come up with the perfect term for the group of wastrels which are the subject of this thread, but that your term for them is also so aesthetically pleasing. To call somebody 'nothing' might be accurate, but in that it is designed to offend it is more like the language of the lower orders, trades people and the like, but 'mostly nothing' is not just accurate, but it also has about it the sort of subtlety one would expect in refined company.

Well said sir we must exchange cards!     
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2014, 05:18:45 am »

I do not think that an identifier is in itself evil.  I use the term mundane, not in any sense to judge but because when telling a story  "A mundane said..." is simply more convenient than "A person staying at the hotel but not part of the convention who wasn't familiar with Steampunk  said..."  The phrase mundane does not define the person - it does not refer to their race, religion or the fact that they were hopping backwards and wearing purple socks - it merely reports a facet relevant to the story.
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2014, 12:50:18 pm »

I had not realized how old this was. As I age, time moves faster.

Heather Alexander - Freaking the Mundanes
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2014, 05:35:07 pm »

A person is a person.

If they ask you about what you're wearing or doing then it could be acceptable to use the phrase 'steam curious'? as they have been curious about steampunk, and if they hear it they are unlikely to be offended and say something that ruins your evening.

Of course, if you are dressed as a steampunk undertaker, it may be acceptable to put people into boxes (but check they are dead first)...that could go down really well with a Goth of course or on Halloween.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2014, 11:55:04 pm »

If they fit the definition, I like to lump them into the category of Senient Beings ( as described in many Buddhist tenants)

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2014, 01:30:55 pm »

Non Steamers?
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2014, 05:06:16 pm »

Thanks all for your thoughts. In an ideal world there would be no them and us but we don't live in an ideal world and like it or not we all compartmentalise people.  When you don't differentiate between gay and straight, white and black, sentient and not I feel that you already have at some level. Difference is good after all. If we were all the same the world would be very boring wouldn't it? Just because we label something doesn't mean that we look at it negatively. For some it does, think any word with '-phobe' or '-ist' on the end in regards to people who live to differentiate and denigrate.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2014, 06:41:21 pm »

Difference is good after all. If we were all the same the world would be very boring wouldn't it?

That ties in rather well with the theories behind ecology and biodiversity, namely that the more diverse something is the more resilliant it is. Which lets people see others who are in any way different in a more positive light. One reason I'm pleased there is no 'definitive Steampunk'

To some extent we are all quantum beings, depending on who is looking changes who we are, the taxman sees you based on how you get an income but your parents see you as their child and your children see you as a parent, all at the same time. Others see you as a work colleague, sibling, neighbour and so on.
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2014, 11:56:33 pm »

I find the use of the term 'mundane' as derogatory.

Every human being is unique and special.  Lumping huge numbers of people together as though they are all just one blob is not in the steampunk spirit, in my view. 

I can label myself what I like, but it is demeaning to label other humans in this way.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2014, 09:36:08 pm »

Are there 'Deisal Punks' and 'Petrol Punks' too?
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2014, 10:37:46 pm »

Indeed there are plus a few that I had not even thought of

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_derivatives
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2014, 11:10:12 pm »

I am a Steampunk.

I am not a Steampunker, nor do I go Steampunking!

Those that are not Steampunk at people, the same as everyone. If I know their names then I call them by that.

However, if I am with a group of Steampunks I may refer to non-steampunks as 'Norms' in a 2000AD fashion.

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