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« on: March 08, 2007, 01:03:45 am »

It seems to me that steampunk (while it is mad-cool) is rather creatively restrictive. Many posters seem to think it is only this set of things and only this other set of things and opinions seem to conflict widely without a whole lot of consideration for the wealth of interesting perspectives. Agreements have been reached , but not terribly interesting or cathartic ones, and so it is certain that whether or not those subjects are ever broached again on this forum the debate is not truly and perfectly over.
But I would like to propose another possibility, that being that the interest we perceive to exist in steampunk, is in fact not an interest in steampunk per se so much as it is an interest in what actually is Retro-Futurism at large.

While steampunk may be at the center of this interest, I do not believe it therefore constitutes the whole of it.


so I decided to start this thread to explore the subject of steampunk...yes, but Retro-Futurism as a whole, and steam punk as one flavor of Retro-Futurism.


So , Retro-Futurists unite, converse, and contemplate. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2007, 01:29:20 am »

Well yes, and your point is exactly what I've been trying to get at for the past few weeks here on this board.

I guess we could look at it like this. At the core we have "Fiction", and descending the family tree leading to Steampunk is Science-Fiction and Alternative History both branching out in their own respective directions, but Retro-Futurism is where they blend back together. Then all of these prefix-punk genres that keep popping up everyday descend from that (including the oldest one Steampunk). Cyberpunk (although it predates Steampunk)  wouldn't belong to this branch of Sci-Fi as it would break off at the Science-Fiction branch initially into it's own family of sub-genres.

Case in point look at Harry Turtledove's body of work. It is all Alternative History related. But I can't think of any of his releases that actually involve retro-futuristic tech.

However of all of those Retro-Futuristic movements, Steampunk is the one I am most interested in. This board was created for those that are into Steampunk. Victorian Science-Fiction and 19th Century Anachronisms.

If you feel that Steampunk is creatively restrictive, well that's only because it's a sub-genre of a larger group of styles that you made very clear in your initial post.

People can create whatever they want, but if it isn't Steampunk, it isn't Steampunk. Like I've stated so many times in other topics, it doesn't make it any better or worse, but just because something is retro-futuristic doesn't mean it's steampunk (I realize you have acknowledged this already, but I'm just reiterating here).

I think the point I'm trying to make is that this board was created for those of us that prefer our sci-fi with a dash of victorian flair, inspired by the world of Jules Verne, H.G. Wells and contemporaries, and likewise the late 20th Century revival by the likes of Mr. Moorcock, Gibson, Jieter, Sterling, etc.

This is why I get so frustrated when I see people trying to redefine Steampunk to meet their own tastes.

I think to solve all of the misconceptions, creating a general Retro-Futurism board would help. But this board wasn't created to appeal to general retro-futurism, but the more paired down vein of Steampunk, which is what people like myself, Amanda, Cory, Andy, and a host of others are really into.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2007, 01:43:48 am »

I just kinda like the name "Steampunk." It's definitely my favourite sub-genre name.

I like many types of fiction, and I also like when they cross over. An example of crossing genres is the creation of steampunk itself, but now that it has come into its own it can be crossed with other genres too.

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2007, 01:54:52 am »

Perhaps a sub-board under Off Topic could be created for Retro-Futurism?
Though it may seem counterintuitive as opposed to creating a whole new forum... I don't want a whole new forum, I'd just like to be able to discuss Dieselpunk (or Pulp, if you prefer) and Sailpunk, and whatever else with the wonderful folks already on this board...

That being said, by Jove, YES! good sir Fantomas!

I do really groove on steampunk, but I've got quite the affection for some items (ahem mid-century Italian scooters ahem) which I cannot possibly fit into the genre... though the paint job I'm currently working on will try...
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2007, 01:56:36 am »

Well yes, and that is fine, but then it loses the title of Steampunk. It is now Steampunk influenced, or features elements of Steampunk, but is part of the larger "Retro-Futuristic" genre, as opposed to being part of Steampunk as a whole.

A fine example of this would be Timesplitters: Future Perfect. There are two stages in that game that take place in 1914 or somewhere close to that time frame, and both are set in totally Steampunk environments, with all kinds of cool technology such as steam mechas (with railroad engine boiler plates for faces), and an underwater base, located through the cavern below a scottish island castle. But the game also has House of the Dead, Terminator, Matrix, Blade Runner, James Bond, etc. inspired stages. therefore it has Steampunk elements, but couldn't really be classified as Steampunk itself.

I had proposed the creation of a general retro-futuristic forum to the admins a few days ago, but I have yet to see them decide one way or the other on it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2007, 02:06:23 am »

if it's put that way then I fel kinda akward about the xbox case mod I'm working on, since it's more retro-futuristic along the lines of a 50's type steampunk (as I am a sucker for fedoras and gangsters).
however I vew steampunk as an idea and not with set in stone rules, especially since the genre itself I don't think has been clearly defined, and I think it is what you make of it.

but that's just my two-pence
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2007, 02:18:08 am »

You shouldn't feel awkward about that. Steampunk isn't like the be all end all of cool retro style. Some people really love 50's sci-fi stuff. Some people love the dark noir retro-futurism of Blade Runner, some people love Roman and Grecian technology. None of it is better than the other. But if it isn't Steampunk, it isn't Steampunk.

Don't stop making your mods, or feel awkward about them because they don't meet the criteria of Steampunk, but at the same time don't try to tell yourself that Steampunk is whatever you want it to be because it hasn't been clearly defined.



It has been clearly defined. For a very long time now.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2007, 02:29:07 am »

by akward I ment akward about posting it here (and a bit of joining as well), I mean there is still stuff here that I'd gladly discuss, I guess though my ideas on steampunk come from the things that introduced me to the series (last exile, myst, and most of the anime I watch), I guess untill a official retro-futurism sub forum shows up, I'll tread lightly.

(also might I state I love your music VernianProcess and am very suprized that I have met you)
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2007, 02:41:16 am »

Ahh I see, yes I know how you feel too. It can be a bit daunting to try and figure out the definition for something that is fairly new to you.

Actually you brought up a perfect example of something Steampunk influenced, but not totally Steampunk as a whole... The Myst series.

I wouldn't really worry too much about posting your mod to the tactile forum. If it isn't Steampunk, no one's going to bite your head off for it. At the most someone might say, it's cool... but wouldn't you say it's more "insert sub-genre" than "Steampunk? I mean I'm already intrigued to see what it looks like! Remember that I like all kinds of styles from all periods of history, and all cultures. I'm not this guy that "only" likes Steampunk.

I really don't want to come off as an overbearing facist (as someone in some other thread so lovingly called me). I just really love this stuff, and feel very strongly about it. I'm only defensive when people try to re-arrange what Steampunk actually defines to suit their personal tastes.

With all that said, thanks for the compliments on my work. I'm always happy to hear people's opinions on it (I'm way too critical of my stuff). Oh and just so you know, I have a little exclusive present for the members of this forum. But it isn't ready yet.  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 03:18:07 am »

so I decided to start this thread to explore the subject of steampunk...yes, but Retro-Futurism as a whole, and steam punk as one flavor of Retro-Futurism.


Well while I am a fan of retro-futurism but as far as I'm aware Steampunk preceeds it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro-futurism

I would argue that Dieselpunk is really a subset of Retro-Futurism though.

It seems to me that steampunk (while it is mad-cool) is rather creatively restrictive.


I have found the main restriction is in people's heads. With Steampunk you can obviously just do history with a twist but you can get as weird and strange as you like. For example The Anubis Gates doesn't really have steam in it but a big slice of magic.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 03:51:18 am »

Interesting that this should come up since I've been thinking about it today after writing my response in Ottens' thread about Pulp. I've been considering writing an article for my site that more clearly articulates the differences between Pulp and Steampunk, using Sky Captain as an example. And the number one thing I would emphasize in the article is that not everything has to be Steampunk to be cool!!

That example is particularly close to my heart because hands down, the Golden Age of Hollywood, Pulp era of film is my favorite. While I love Steampunk enough in general to be who I am with the site I have, I've actually seen very few films in that genre that match up against the wonder, horror and adventure of even a halfways decent film starring Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff, Johnny Weismuller, Douglas Fairbanks or King Kong. I've noted before that if I was only allowed to watch one decade's worth of movies, I would unreservedly choose 1925-1935. If I was allowed another decade, then 1920-1940 (actually, more like 1922-1942). On my personal list, Sky Captain is the best Sci-Fi film of last 20 years after the Matrix Trilogy.

Now, I have a pretty broad definition of Steampunk as it is: any fiction that imitates or critiques the style, technology, characters and/or themes of Victorian-Edwardian Scientific Romance, Imperialist Adventure, Edisonades and Voyages Extraordinaires. It can be in any time or on any world so long as it has that thematic link... You can have Greco-Roman or Mediaeval or Fantasy settings so long as the technology is of the same caliber as that in Jules Verne and H.G. Wells.

But at some point, you just get out of Steampunk altogether, and that's okay. Pulp is not Steampunk, even if they technically still had steam trains. There is no such thing as "50's Steampunk" unless you're talking about a situation where, say, WWI and II never happened and the Edwardian Period continued unabated into the Second Elizabethian Period. You don't have to try and make any retro thing Steampunk just because Steampunk is cool. You don't even have to try and rename something with some stupid "punk" suffix because that's cool either (yeah, I'm looking at you "Dieselpunk"). Steampunk got away with it because it was a well-timed joke on Cyberpunk, but anything else sounds ridiculous, clumsy and contrived.  

To the specific subject now, technically, Steampunk isn't Retro-Futurist. Some of it may have aspects of Retro-Futurism, but it's actually the other way around. I wish I could track the quote down again, but William Gibson once noted that you're wrong if you think Science Fiction is about the future; rather, Science Fiction colonizes the future with the present. Retro-Futurism studies and revels in how the past colonized its future with its present, and in turn how that contrasts against our present. Some day (in fact, it's actually a really close "some day"), even cutting edge Cyberpunk will be Retro-Futurism. Science Fiction has always been one of the most easily dated genres, and not just because of the progress of technology. I would even say that the progress of technology isn't even what dates Sci-Fi... It's changing culture that does it. The original Star Trek looks dated because of space hippies and mini-skirts, not because of big clunky phasers and communicators (and for the record, I think they figured that out in later incarnations and have managed to work towards greater "timelessness" in Next Generation and Deep Space Nine by better filling out 24th century culture and using reference points other than the present day).

Steampunk is the exact opposite: it colonizes the past with the present. Generally when we're talking about Steampunk, it's not the future we're interested in. It's exactly the period between the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and the end of WWI that we're transposing computers, robots, space flight and airships onto. Even Jules Verne and H.G. Wells wrote few novels about the future... Their futuristic technology - which is our modern day technology - was set steadfastly in their own day. The Martians invaded in 1898, Nemo sailed the seas in the 1860's, and so on. That's part of the fun of Steampunk: seeing how you could recreate modern (or even by our standards futuristic) things with Industrial Revolution-style technology.

But that's okay! You can like both Steampunk and Retro-Futurism! That is perfectly alright! I like Gothic Revival, Art Deco and Googie... It's all good!

On Retro-Futurism, there's a nice little story by William Gibson entitled The Gernsback Continuum that you can find online. In it, this photographer doing a project on the past's vision of the future starts having visions of crossing over to a present day where all those dreams did come true, and Atomic Age square-jawed heroes stand triumphant with giant Deco, streamline aircraft in the distance. It gives a nice feel of what Retro-Futurism is about. Other than that, watch Sky Captain, The Jetsons, and Metropolis again.  
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2007, 04:03:32 am »

On Retro-Futurism, there's a nice little story by William Gibson entitled The Gernsback Continuum that you can find online. In it, this photographer doing a project on the past's vision of the future starts having visions of crossing over to a present day where all those dreams did come true, and Atomic Age square-jawed heroes stand triumphant with giant Deco, streamline aircraft in the distance. It gives a nice feel of what Retro-Futurism is about. Other than that, watch Sky Captain, The Jetsons, and Metropolis again.  

Thanks for mentioning  The Gernsback Continuum. It has been on my mind a lot in the last week or so.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 04:05:13 am »

Dude... dude.. dude...

Cory I love you.  Kiss

You are my hero. You have said what I have been trying to say since this initial debate started a few weeks back. I will just point people to the link of your post next time I need to clarify Steampunk to someone.  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 04:48:40 am »

So anyway... not to outofhand dismiss Mssrs Cory and Vernian Process, who both bring interesting facts and opinions to this thread, are there others who are interested in discussing Retro-Futurism, and perhaps petitioning our esteemed moderators for a sub-board under the Off-Topic board?
I think that doing so would allow us to discuss both historical and fictional themes that while not under the aegis of Steampunk or Victorian Anachronism, could help illuminate many of our interests in those eras. Such a move would also allow a venue for conversations such as the above, and the coming storm of Dieselpunk vs. Pulp as terminology, etc.
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edit-- I suppose I mean under the Non-Steampunk board... oops. Embarrassed
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 10:16:31 am »

It is currently under discussion.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2007, 11:42:17 am »

screw this, I'm heading over to BrushedAluminumGoggles.co.uk!
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2007, 11:44:17 am »

While of course I should want to step up and defend "Dieselpunk" as a true genre, it is little more than a sub-genre of Steampunk at best, and true Steampunk itself may be a sub-genre of a whole larger genre of science-fiction/alternate history, but I do believe that there's a clear distinction between Steampunk and Retro-futurism, if only for the obvious fact that Steampunk looks to the Past where Retro-futurism looks to the Future, even though that "Future" may be in our past.  However, I think there's more to it than that:  there's a great difference in style and in tone.  Steampunk is less dystopian than Cyberpunk, Pulp, Dieselpunk, etc, yet Retro-futurism is often much more utopian than any other related genre.  Retro-futurism is more light-hearted, where Steampunk can be quite serious, more mature.
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2007, 05:52:24 pm »

I'm not against a Retro-Futurism, or even a Pulp, board at all. I was just putting forward that technically Steampunk isn't a kind of Retro-Futurism. But there's plenty of crossover in the fan base.

But RE: Ottens' post... Sure Pulp is a legitimate genre. I've been describing it over the last few days. It's just that the name "Dieselpunk" is part of the same phenomenon of trying to make everything into "Steampunk" - or at least "punk" - because that's cooler and edgier and more alternative-sounding than its actual name...

A: "I've got this great new idea for this genre of 'Magicpunk' where it's, like, all Middle Ages and Celtic sorta' stuff but they have, like, airships and there's magic and things like dragons and stuff."
B: "So you mean Fantasy."
A: "No, Magicpunk is a legitimate genre!"
B: "Yeah it is, but it's called Fantasy."
A: "No, this is different!"
B: "Howso?"
A: "Well, it's more... dystopian."
B: "Fighting evil insane kings and despotic demon sorcerors has been a part of Fantasy forever. Haven't you ever played D&D? You're talking about chaotic good or chaotic neutral protagonists with..."
A: "I don't care! To me it's Magicpunk!"
B: "Whatever you say..."
A: "Look, I don't know why you have to be such a fascist about it! If I want to call it 'Magicpunk' what does it matter?"
B: "It doesn't really... It just sounds stupid and like you're trying to say you invented something that already exists rather than just admitting you like Fantasy. When Jeter coined the term 'Steampunk', there wasn't really a name for this retro-Victorian stuff, and the term itself was a joke on the genre of Cyberpunk that he himself was a part of. Fantasy already has a name, has nothing whatever to do with Steampunk or Cyberpunk or anything, and you probably just want to call it 'Magicpunk' because you think that makes it sound cool... which it doesn't. It's called Fantasy, and, like, 99% of people who actually liked Fantasy before you 'discovered' it would recognize 'Magicpunk' as Fantasy right away."
A: "Y'know, whatever, it's Magicpunk to me!"
B: "Yeah sure... I bet 'Cinderella' is pretty 'Magicpunk', what with her fighting out from under the heel of her evil stepmother and everything."
A: "No way, not that Disney stuff. You can't buy your way into 'Magicpunk'."
B: "What the Hell does that mean?!"
A: "It has to be all DIY or it's not Magicpunk!"
B: "What, like painting your own RPG miniatures or sewing your own Ren-Faire costumes?"
A: "I don't know... Not like RPGs or Ren-Faires though, since that's Fantasy and I'm talking about Magicpunk."
B: "If you make a Mediaeval costume and you get together with a bunch of other people who also have Mediaeval costumes and you pretend like you're living in the Middle Ages, that's a Renaissance Faire... or that Mediaveal Times restaurant."
A: "No, because we'd have all sorts of Magicpunk stuff."
B: "Lot's of Ren-Faires allow Fantasy stuff... Just Google 'Renaissance Faire' and look at pictures."
A: "Research would be too much work! I think it's 'Magicpunk', which I discovered."
C: "Wow, I can't wait to make my Magicpunk outfit! I wonder what sort of goggles they had in the Middle Ages!"
B: "Arg! It's called FANTASY!"
D: "Well, what I love about Magicpunk is the diversity of opinions and interests. We can agree to call it Magicpunk or Fantasy or whatever... Magicpunk is whatever anyone wants it to be, and it's great that we can come together and talk about Magicpunk like this."
B: *shoots himself inna head*
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2007, 05:57:42 pm »

Andy-- Thanks for considering this, I hope your discussions are little clearer than those here.  Tongue

Datamancer-- Thank you, kind sir, for my first laugh of morning.  Grin

Good Sirs Ottens, VP, Cory, et. al. -- I have been trying to get my opinions straight in my head, whilst taking into consideration your learned, erudite, and eloquent positions. I mean no disrespect, but a gentleperson should know their own mind, while also examining outside opinions.

It seems to me that taken at face value, there is the overarching genre of science fiction, of which retro-futurism is a sub genre. Superficially one would then think that any sub-genre involving elements of the past and futuristic elements would then fall under retro-futurism. (Please bear with me here...)
I believe this was the thinking that Fantomas was guided by in starting this thread. Though some experts may disagree, it seemed a logical classification system, and for once I was going to attempt to be pig-headedly rational and defend it... Until I started contemplating VP and Cory's notions, and doing a little more research.

Let's break it down:

Steampunk: After much debate we seem to have come to near consensus that the Steampunk sub-genre can be defined as Victorian Anachronism. Many different technological, phastastical, and/or (more controversially) political anachronisms can be thrown into the mix, as long as it is rooted in Victorian or Edwardian culture.

Retro-futurism: According to Wikipedia, Retro-futurism is based on visions of the future from the past. This makes it more an aesthetic than a literary sub-genre. Architecture, and industrial design have exhibited elements of retro-futurism as well science fiction. Examples of non-literary retro-futurism in industrial design might include the PT cruiser, the new Volkswagon Beetle, and 21st  century Vespas. Unfortunately we are still waking for jet-packs and flying cars.
Some Steampunk is retro-futuristic, but not all. A work which was set in the fictional worlds of Verne or Wells would retro-futuristic, whereas The Difference Engine is not because mechanical computers and AIs were not a Victorian vision of the future.

Dieselpunk: While some would like to do away with this label in favor of “Pulp,” I do not agree. Pulp is to my mind too broad a term. Pulp includes Conan, for instance. When I think of Dieselpunk it is confined to the era after WWI up to well...the 1950's perhaps, with a decidedly distopian slant. This definition is definitely still up for debate, as there are few Dieselpunk works at this time. But as an example Indiana Jones is Pulp, but not Dieselpunk. The best example I can think of as Dieselpunk right now, was an alternate Earth in the DC comics multi-verse (prior to the original Crisis on Infinite Earths) where WWII lasted for decades.

So again, Dieselpunk can be retro-futuristic, but it doesn't have to be, just as it can be Pulp, but it doesn't have to be.
What we have here are overlapping spheres rather than a branching tree.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2007, 06:07:33 pm »

I find it interesting that you consider Golden Age DC Comics to be "dieselpunk" because they're fighting Nazis while not considering Indiana Jones "dieselpunk" when in 2 of 3 films he's fighting Nazis.

Nazi-smashing, and/or Jap-smashing, is hXc Pulp action. Evil Germans are one of the major Pulp tropes.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2007, 06:14:57 pm »

I find it interesting that you consider Golden Age DC Comics to be "dieselpunk" because they're fighting Nazis while not considering Indiana Jones "dieselpunk" when in 2 of 3 films he's fighting Nazis.

Nazi-smashing, and/or Jap-smashing, is hXc Pulp action. Evil Germans are one of the major Pulp tropes.
No, I'm not refering to Golden Age DC comics... those would be Pulp... But Bronze and Modern Age comics playing with the Golden Age settings... that is Dieselpunk.
Nazi-smashing... good wholesome adventure in any age or genre!
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2007, 06:18:58 pm »

Ah, so like the Elseworlds Golden Age comic...

Yeah, that's secondary source Pulp, like Sky Captain. Which also includes fighting an evil German mad scientist.
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2007, 06:32:24 pm »

There are a lot of angles on Retro-futurism.  For example my younger brother is into early 60's automobiles.  That was a peculiar time in the automotive industry and a whole culture that could most definitely be classified as Dieselpunk has sprung up around it with Mad Max like Rat Rods and that sort of thing. 

And then where would you classify something like this http://www.blackheadsmc.com/html/trp/chopp.html. After all in the late Victorian era there were in fact internal combustion engines being built.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2007, 06:43:40 pm »

There are a lot of angles on Retro-futurism.  For example my younger brother is into early 60's automobiles.  That was a peculiar time in the automotive industry and a whole culture that could most definitely be classified as Dieselpunk has sprung up around it with Mad Max like Rat Rods and that sort of thing. 

And then where would you classify something like this http://www.blackheadsmc.com/html/trp/chopp.html. After all in the late Victorian era there were in fact internal combustion engines being built.

That baby's a beauty, isn't she?  Shocked Grin
Well, there were steampowered motorcycles, and even ICE cycles in the later part of our era. Depending on when you delineate the cut-off date, even Harleys (1902) and Indians (1901) sneak in.
Concerning this particular bike, I think the creator was going for a steampunk look (based on all that gorgeous brass, and his mode of attire) and I'd grant him that conceit.
Others will most likely disagree...
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2007, 06:53:12 pm »

That is a pretty sweet bike, whatever it is. I'm content to call it Steampunk too, but probably more because of his costume than all that much on the bike itself... Now if he made a Pennyfarthering Chopper... ^_Q
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