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Andy_W
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« on: March 07, 2007, 10:52:47 am »

It seems to me there are three distinct groups within in Steampunk.

The Dreamers- those who find the aesthetic pleasing, the fiction, the art, the films etc.
The Makers - those who make stuff
The Lifers- those who live and breath it as a way of life.

Discuss...
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2007, 10:59:11 am »

I would argue that there are only two:  The Dreamers and the Doers.


Everyone here has aspects of both, but it is an issue of what purportions.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2007, 12:24:44 pm »

We are the music makers
And we are the dreamers of dreams
Fiddling with circuit breakers
And building fantastic machines
Brass lovers and plastic forsakers
Upon whom the gaslight gleams
We are the movers and shakers
Of Steampunk forever, it seems

In goggles and top hat and tails
A dreamer of substance prevails
While hammer and anvil ensures
That a doer of mettle endures
One punk, under steam, at pleasure
Shall go forth and conquer a crown
And three with a tinkerer’s leisure
Can trample an empire down

Look to the ages lying
In the buried past of the earth
We will raise them again, or die trying
And force others to measure their worth
Then o’erthrow them with prophesying
To the new of the old world’s worth
For this age is a dream that is dying
As our dream is coming to birth

(I feel it's worth pointing, just in case anyone is unfamiliar with the original and gives me credit I don't deserve, that this is a bastardisation of a rather wonderful poem by Arthur O'Shaugnessy)
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2007, 01:44:52 pm »

fantastic!!


i was not competely unfamiliar with the original, but this does have a certain flair to it!
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2007, 02:04:06 pm »

I love the poem, fixed_expression. You've adapted it wonderfully to steampunk.

In this case, I have to agree with OHebel Wring: there are dreamers and doers. No other classification is necessary, and people can be a combination of the two. If I were to classify myself, I would say 70% dreamer, 30% doer.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 03:33:27 pm »

as it stands, I am 100 percent dreamer....

No doing until I am in a place to "do" (and don't have to worry about moving it all in June!)
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2007, 03:44:00 pm »

oooh this requires a kinseyan-style sliding scale...

        1        2        3        4        5
    dreamer                              doer

now just need to develop some way of correct placement... Smiley  or it could be a self-placement...
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 03:55:32 pm »

Ah, but such a scale is still qualitative.

We need true quantitative analysis, to stay true to the roots of industry and progress.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 04:19:39 pm »

If I were a little more of a doer, say a 4 instead of the miserable 2 I am, I would make a steampunkification gauge that has a psi range from 1 to 10,002.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007, 10:32:39 pm »

The first 2 lines were used in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory....I actually thought it was an original poem that you had built from that Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2007, 10:37:11 pm »

The first 2 lines were used in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory....I actually thought it was an original poem that you had built from that Cheesy

I've always been partial to this one.

High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2007, 10:43:35 pm »

I've always been partial to this one.

High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

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Have you seen the Bloom County Sunday strip that riffs on this poem?
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 02:26:16 am »

We are the music makers
And we are the dreamers of dreams
Fiddling with circuit breakers
And building fantastic machines
Brass lovers and plastic forsakers
Upon whom the gaslight gleams
We are the movers and shakers
Of Steampunk forever, it seems

In goggles and top hat and tails
A dreamer of substance prevails
While hammer and anvil ensures
That a doer of mettle endures
One punk, under steam, at pleasure
Shall go forth and conquer a crown
And three with a tinkerer’s leisure
Can trample an empire down

Look to the ages lying
In the buried past of the earth
We will raise them again, or die trying
And force others to measure their worth
Then o’erthrow them with prophesying
To the new of the old world’s worth
For this age is a dream that is dying
As our dream is coming to birth

I can just envision this machined into the bronze doors of a fantastic Victorian mansion dedicated to everything steampunk...  Someday it will be Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 02:44:16 am »

We are the music makers
And we are the dreamers of dreams
Fiddling with circuit breakers
And building fantastic machines
Brass lovers and plastic forsakers
Upon whom the gaslight gleams
We are the movers and shakers
Of Steampunk forever, it seems

In goggles and top hat and tails
A dreamer of substance prevails
While hammer and anvil ensures
That a doer of mettle endures
One punk, under steam, at pleasure
Shall go forth and conquer a crown
And three with a tinkerer’s leisure
Can trample an empire down

Look to the ages lying
In the buried past of the earth
We will raise them again, or die trying
And force others to measure their worth
Then o’erthrow them with prophesying
To the new of the old world’s worth
For this age is a dream that is dying
As our dream is coming to birth

(I feel it's worth pointing, just in case anyone is unfamiliar with the original and gives me credit I don't deserve, that this is a bastardisation of a rather wonderful poem by Arthur O'Shaugnessy)

Ummmm... Would you mind terribly if I edited that a little bit and used it in a future song? I would of course give you credit for the initial alterations, and Arthur O'Shaugnessy credit for the original poem.

Oh and to the topic at hand, would I be a dreamer or doer? As I do create music, but not actual physical steampunk machines.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 11:55:50 am »

O'Shaugnessy, awesome. This has been one of my favorite poems ever since I first researched the reference in Willy Wonka as a child.

I still can't read it without thinking "Snozzberry!? Who ever heard of a snozzberry?"
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2007, 12:47:44 pm »

I'm pleased and surprised to find a positive reaction to my sleep-deprived ramblings; I was mostly expecting embarrassed silence as a response, but I couldn't resist putting it up. It's nice to find a forum where my peculiarities are embraced rather than puzzled at.

Fmra, when I finally build my gigantic steam-powered mansion atop  a Himalayan mountain, I will remember to have it carved into brass doors twenty feet tall; hopefully it will be a lasting monument and not another Ozymandias.

VP I would be delighted to hear something I'd written (albeit only partially) used in one of your musical adventures. There are a couple of line which, on further thought, I would want to alter slightly as well, but now I think I'll just wait and see what you do with it. I look forward to hearing it!

Also it occurs to me that I never really answered the first question. I suppose I could be a dubbed a Doer, to an extent, because I inevitably turn my own thoughts and opinions into paintings and drawings, so thus end up with a physical creation that I've put a lot of effort into. However I've always thought of myself purely as a dreamer, because you have to dream before you can create at all.

In fact, I submit that everybody here is far more a dreamer than anything else: a vivid imagination, and a certain romantic bent, is a prerequisite to understanding or enjoying steampunk at all, I think. Those who create are just dreamers who have the ability to turn their dreams into something physical.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2007, 01:41:18 pm »

I consider myself more "dreamer" than "doer"...but I want to do more, I just can't...yet.

snozzberry (pronounced snah'zz'b'e'rrie)- a berry growing on the snozz bush (but of course!)
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2007, 02:21:01 pm »

Oh and to the topic at hand, would I be a dreamer or doer? As I do create music, but not actual physical steampunk machines.

I would say you are 50% dreamer, 50% doer, VernianProcess. After all, it takes a fertile imagination to create such wonderful music, but you are creating, which I certainly count as "doing". Not everybody needs to build steam engines. Variety is the spice of life, if I may be so cheesy.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2007, 02:42:06 pm »

Without the dream, how can you 'do'?

I think everyone is a bit of a dreamer here - it's just the proportions that change.  Glad there's no stigma attached to either dreaming or doing though.
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2007, 02:50:43 pm »

This community appears to be very accepting of anybody who wishes to participate in it, so there really is no need or reason for stigma to develop. I do believe The Beatles put it best: All you need is love...
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2007, 02:53:43 pm »

Steampunk is a very fortunate genre to have the ability to have "doers." Fans of other genres such as Sci-Fi cannot realistically "do" many things described in that genre, with the exception of adding to the genre with art and literature.  
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2007, 06:15:19 pm »

Definate dreamer as I currently lack the skills, tools and materials to turn what I see behind my eyes into something I feel with my hands.  The other senses are all well and good, but I'm very tactile.  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2007, 06:39:33 pm »

like i said earlier, everyone has a bit of dreamer and doer.  The fact that we are all here makes us have elements of dreamer, but those that even have 1 article of victorian clothing, have put together one thing, have written a poem, etc....  those are the Doers.

I think that its probably unhealthy to have all of either one.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2007, 09:58:04 pm »

I'm almost fully a Dreamer. About 90%.The doer part of me comes in my attempt to live out what i said in my(the) original "steampunk as subculture" post. Not saying i actually do, but i try.

And VP, You are most certainly one of the most doingest people here...That was not a word, was it?
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2007, 12:08:48 am »

it is now.  Here Here.


I would agree, there are quite a few Doingests around here.  Mr Slatt is another I would recommend for that title.  It is actually his keyboard on boing boing that let me know what this facination of mine was called.
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