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Author Topic: Is it possible to make a clunky-weight worthy Faux-Dreyse for prop purposes?  (Read 1432 times)
Ulfrsson
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« on: August 16, 2013, 02:44:01 pm »

Hey, I happen to have a minute inquiry as to the potential of something, primarily that of utilizing blacksmithing to hammer-out a Faux variation of a  Dreyse; essentially a combination of a historically accurate brick/prop( in regard to weight), yet something uniquely viable and capable of turning heads at steamcon or some-such.


Is such a thing possible? I only ask due to being a blacksmith, but, well, suffice it to say, prop-making of any and all kinds is absolutely alien to me. So what it comes down to is this, by any sheer chance/dumb-luck, would I be able to forge out a replica bolt alongside other such necessary components to make a convincing mock-up?



This is all for a (think "Space 1889") Großpreußen Luftmarine costume/outfit I'm trying to setup with a few kamerads.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2013, 04:38:39 pm »

Why not. People have made far more complicated items.  Just time, tools and skill are required.  Please post pictures of the results.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 02:27:01 pm »

Why not. People have made far more complicated items.  Just time, tools and skill are required.  Please post pictures of the results.


If anything comes from this pursuit, then I shall be more than happy to post results.
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 09:38:35 pm »

As an amatuer blacksmith, metal caster, machinist, and wood butcher I would concurr with Maets and reply " why not".

However, one does need to inquire after the object of your desire? It is the Dreyse Needle-Gun? or the turn-of the century Sidearm?

If one wished to manufacture a Replica of the sidearm, the thing is so blocky it ought to be quite simple to cut aluminum,
 brass ( ooooohh! ) or steel bar-stock into the appropriate rectangular rough dimensions, shape with a handfile, and even soft-solder the bit together. If one desired a moving Faux slide, it can be easily accomplished by holding the slide nad the bottom gripframe together with rods and a spring.

Alternatively, if one desires a Head-Turning eplica for the 1889 ish era one might consider these:

1890 Borchardt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borchardt_C-93

1900 Mars (designed in the mid 1890's)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Automatic_Pistol

1901 Steyr  (patented 1898)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_Mannlicher_M1901

Roth-Steyr M1907 (designed in 1900)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth_Steyr_M1907


If one chose, an enterprising metal melter could form the basic shapes with aluminum castings - as I pointed out on a previous post "Lost Foam Casting" makes this incredibly easy!

Let Me Google That For You:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Lost+Foam+Aluminum+Casting

hope this helps
yhs
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 07:53:33 pm »

hmm, I assumed the rifle, but both the auto pistol and the revolver would be neat to make. very brickable.

there are those odd cap guns about that are sorta close to the look already. the ja-ru enforcer. you could just epoxy in some lead shot into the grip and barrel to give it heft and finish with a convincing paint job. otherwise maybe cover the cylinder and add all new chambers and barrel to the frame.

if I had to make one, it would be a wooden grip and frame with a metal barrel and trigger guard and the loading arm. not sure how I would handle the cylinder, maybe steal one from a toy or replica.

the autopistol would be layers of sintra or something similar. some thick plexiglass can be cut and stacked to make a very stout and somewhat heavier copy.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2015, 11:32:20 pm »

As an amatuer blacksmith, metal caster, machinist, and wood butcher I would concurr with Maets and reply " why not".

However, one does need to inquire after the object of your desire? It is the Dreyse Needle-Gun? or the turn-of the century Sidearm?

If one wished to manufacture a Replica of the sidearm, the thing is so blocky it ought to be quite simple to cut aluminum,
 brass ( ooooohh! ) or steel bar-stock into the appropriate rectangular rough dimensions, shape with a handfile, and even soft-solder the bit together. If one desired a moving Faux slide, it can be easily accomplished by holding the slide nad the bottom gripframe together with rods and a spring.

Alternatively, if one desires a Head-Turning eplica for the 1889 ish era one might consider these:

1890 Borchardt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borchardt_C-93

1900 Mars (designed in the mid 1890's)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Automatic_Pistol

1901 Steyr  (patented 1898)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_Mannlicher_M1901

Roth-Steyr M1907 (designed in 1900)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth_Steyr_M1907


If one chose, an enterprising metal melter could form the basic shapes with aluminum castings - as I pointed out on a previous post "Lost Foam Casting" makes this incredibly easy!

Let Me Google That For You:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Lost+Foam+Aluminum+Casting

hope this helps
yhs
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Well, I have been designing some things in the while since I made this thread; and hilariously I've been designing things in direct tune with what you've posted.



A 10.6mm bulked-up reichsrevolver type deal.




A 12.5mm bottlenecked cartridge chambered toggle-locking/short-recoil mutant for the action.


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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2015, 06:03:01 pm »

Even 'though I am a not a maker, I want to thank you for starting this thread because you mentioned the Dreyse, which I had not heard of before. This has prompted a new line of research for me, and for that I am grateful.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2015, 12:40:34 am »

Do you want to forge the entire barrel and bolt and bolt slide or simply the actual bolt and bolt handle?
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