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Author Topic: The Fourth Doctor Who Thread - with a huge scarf  (Read 60254 times)
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« Reply #1175 on: November 10, 2017, 07:14:05 pm »

So, what does everyone think about the new Doctor's outfit? A long way from Missy's Victoriana look; in fact, putting aside all the references to previous Doctors that have been read into it, it looks to me like the new Doctor is a big fan of the 80s. And I wonder if that's a sonic earring...

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« Reply #1176 on: November 10, 2017, 09:18:10 pm »

Well, as someone who was quite prepared to accept D13 as a woman, I believe the costume has hits and misses.

The long coat - check- practical and nothing says heroic like running in a trailing coat, it's the modern cape. There's even a meme image for it.
The boots - check - also practical in everything from primordial swamps to hi-tech spaceships dripping with alien goo, and a traditional style that fits for the current-day and historical episodes.
The long divided skirt/pants - partial yes with a caveat - the waist and fullness have a similar trad/timeless Edwardian look that has always been an underpinning Doctor style  BUT the 3/4 length hem doesn't work - practically it means cold ankles, stylistically it breaks the continuity of flow in both male or female fashion (can you ever imagine a man's business suit in 3/4?, it's only done in womens summer fashion as a deliberate way of saying 'I'm wearing light cotton slacks for summer practicality but I want to look holiday casual and free of the work conventions' by showing off my calves) so it's never a look for appearing authoritative which the Doctor always uses to take charge amid the panic, plus historically it doesn't work to be showing so much ankle beyond puberty and without stockings (so presumably no PaternosterGang episodes in this series), and it looks ungainly like an urchin wearing ill-fitted handmedowns.

But then there's the top - NO, seriously now we're deeply in WTF territory - a smooth unadorned tight top with the stripe and braces. It doesn't go with the heavier fabric of the skirt, and doesn't work for historicals.
It looks like the Marketing wankers called Costuming into a meeting with an agenda of:
"How obvious can we make it that the Doctor now has tits?"
Tight unadorned fabric with no obscuring frills or details.
Braces - normally a suitable Doctor choice as they have that Trad/Vicwardian vibe, but now the straps have to get curved around to emphasise the intervening boobage in a crass manner. Well, that's it, meeting done, surely there can't be a more obvious way of saying 'dalek bumps', and then somebody had a real inspiration...
"Hey, just in case they still missed it, how about we get a big bright stripe of colours and draw a big line from nip to nip...?"
[sarcastic font] utterly brilliant idea [/sf]

As the 'smartest WOman in the room' D13 was always going to be a potentially more interesting struggle than it has been for previous regenerations, but this outfit certainly isn't going to help.
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« Reply #1177 on: November 11, 2017, 04:34:43 pm »

Well, as someone who was quite prepared to accept D13 as a woman, I believe the costume has hits and misses.

The long coat - check- practical and nothing says heroic like running in a trailing coat, it's the modern cape. There's even a meme image for it.
The boots - check - also practical in everything from primordial swamps to hi-tech spaceships dripping with alien goo, and a traditional style that fits for the current-day and historical episodes.
The long divided skirt/pants - partial yes with a caveat - the waist and fullness have a similar trad/timeless Edwardian look that has always been an underpinning Doctor style  BUT the 3/4 length hem doesn't work - practically it means cold ankles, stylistically it breaks the continuity of flow in both male or female fashion (can you ever imagine a man's business suit in 3/4?, it's only done in womens summer fashion as a deliberate way of saying 'I'm wearing light cotton slacks for summer practicality but I want to look holiday casual and free of the work conventions' by showing off my calves) so it's never a look for appearing authoritative which the Doctor always uses to take charge amid the panic, plus historically it doesn't work (so presumably no PaternosterGang episodes in this series), and it looks ungainly like an urchin wearing ill-fitted handmedowns.

But then there's the top - NO, seriously now we're deeply in WTF territory - a smooth unadorned tight top with the stripe and braces. It doesn't go with the heavier fabric of the skirt, and doesn't work for historicals.
It looks like the Marketing wankers called Costuming into a meeting with an agenda of:
"How obvious can we make it that the Doctor now has tits?"
Tight unadorned fabric with no obscuring frills or details.
Braces - normally a suitable Doctor choice as they have that Trad/Vicwardian vibe, but now the straps have to get curved around to emphasise the intervening boobage in a crass manner. Well, that's it, meeting done, surely there can't be a more obvious way of saying 'dalek bumps', and then somebody had a real inspiration...
"Hey, just in case they still missed it, how about we get a big bright stripe of colours and draw a big line from nip to nip...?"
[sarcastic font] utterly brilliant idea [/sf]

As the 'smartest WOman in the room' D13 was always going to be a potentially more interesting struggle than it has been for previous regenerations, but this outfit certainly isn't going to help.

The top's colour and style just plain clash with the rest of the outfit, period. Regardless of boobage topography.
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« Reply #1178 on: November 12, 2017, 06:53:38 am »

Given that the Doctor has always had anachronistic dress-sense for our timeframe, I think it is fine. That they effectively chose to dress the Doctor like Mork's cousin is a little off-putting. I expect at least one spaceship in an episode to be egg-shaped.

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« Reply #1179 on: November 12, 2017, 11:05:39 am »

Not particularly impressed - she looks like she's a presenter on Play School.
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« Reply #1180 on: November 13, 2017, 11:42:54 am »

Actually I was strongly reminded of 70s styles, for reference see  Gilbert O Sullivan, The Bay City Rollers,  Slade, Sweet, the cast of Godspell etc.
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« Reply #1181 on: November 13, 2017, 11:57:51 am »

New companions confirmed as Rod, Jane and Freddy.

If you're not British or of a certain age you may have to Google that.  Wink
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« Reply #1182 on: November 13, 2017, 06:42:25 pm »

Actually I was strongly reminded of 70s styles, for reference see  Gilbert O Sullivan, The Bay City Rollers,  Slade, Sweet, the cast of Godspell etc.

But wouldn't it need to have added massive platform boots with every square inch covered with glitter?  Grin

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« Reply #1183 on: November 13, 2017, 06:44:48 pm »

New companions confirmed as Rod, Jane and Freddy.

If you're not British or of a certain age you may have to Google that.  Wink

Maybe Zippy will turn out to be the Big Bad of the series...

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« Reply #1184 on: November 14, 2017, 09:14:09 am »

I don't think I've seen the outfit yet...hm
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« Reply #1185 on: November 17, 2017, 09:00:21 pm »

The BBC Children in need telethon has just transmitted its usual snippet of the Christmas Doctor Who, and I must say it was rather wonderful seeing Capaldi's 12th and Bradley's 1st Doctors riffing off each other (and Gatiss' rather discombobulated military captain). I think I'm missing Capaldi already. Bradley has said he'd like to do more as the 1st Doctor, and I for one hope he gets the opportunity.

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« Reply #1186 on: November 17, 2017, 10:21:50 pm »

Bradley has said he'd like to do more as the 1st Doctor, and I for one hope he gets the opportunity.

It's already been confirmed that Bradley will be reprising his role in a series of new audio dramas for Big Finish.

Also ''Jamie Glover, Jemma Powell, and Claudia Grant returning to reprise their own 'Adventure in Space and Time' roles as the Doctor’s first companions: Ian, Barbara, and his granddaughter Susan...''
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« Reply #1187 on: November 18, 2017, 02:49:43 pm »


It's already been confirmed that Bradley will be reprising his role in a series of new audio dramas for Big Finish.

Also ''Jamie Glover, Jemma Powell, and Claudia Grant returning to reprise their own 'Adventure in Space and Time' roles as the Doctor’s first companions: Ian, Barbara, and his granddaughter Susan...''

That's good to know, but it would be nice to see some TV appearances as well. I'd love to see the Beeb doing some specials featuring Bradley's 1st Doctor.

On another note... Gatiss' character is supposed to be important to the Doctor's story. So should we start a guessing game as to why? Here's my thoughts...

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« Reply #1188 on: November 18, 2017, 09:31:24 pm »


Gatiss' character is supposed to be important to the Doctor's story. So should we start a guessing game as to why? Here's my thoughts...

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« Reply #1189 on: November 19, 2017, 07:03:41 pm »

New companions confirmed as Rod, Jane and Freddy.

If you're not British or of a certain age you may have to Google that.  Wink

Maybe Zippy will turn out to be the Big Bad of the series...

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« Reply #1190 on: December 26, 2017, 09:00:05 pm »

The end of an era, indeed!

I was sorry to see Capaldi go (I had started out disliking him but he quickly became one of my favorite Doctors), but I'm very excited to see more of our brand-new Doctor!
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« Reply #1191 on: December 26, 2017, 10:18:33 pm »

Agreed, the departure of Capaldi closing a circle with the first regeneration of D1-2 was a great connection to the beginning of the show, and he has been one of my favourite Doctors, and I'm interested to see how Ms Whittaker takes the role and the adjustments that occur with a female Doctor, or a female actor being the Doctor.

Interesting that they made a close-up and slow-mo point of dropping the wedding ring (IRL its Capaldi's real one but it could have been ignored) - I guess that the BBC is brave enough to try a female Doctor but not brave enough to have RiverSong return as her "Sweetie"... a pity.  
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Also interesting that Sexy has tossed her out the door - apart from the churlish "woman driver = crash" comments which ignore that crashing the ship has been a common feature of recent re-gens -  the other intriguing theory is that the next series will be primarily Earth-based like early D3 as D13 has to get back to the Tardis. Presumably still being in re-gen, D13 will survive the fall to Earth without needing that UnionJack parachute again.

My only 'regret' was that he and we never got Susan reappearing, and this episode would have been the perfect opportunity - with the glasspeople gathering memories it would have been quite easy to have collected an older Susan Foreman/Carole Ann Ford at her death/regeneration on Earth for a brief cameo without effecting any other BigFinish canonicity, fitting in instead of Nardole perhaps.
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« Reply #1192 on: December 28, 2017, 12:12:39 am »

Hugs to Capaldi. This episode set up changes and rewrote the canon in various ways,
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I am wondering if D13 will start in 1970-80s Earth
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« Reply #1193 on: December 29, 2017, 12:50:24 am »

That was a good send off for Capaldi - but now we have to wait until the autumn for the new series  Sad.

(snip)

the other intriguing theory is that the next series will be primarily Earth-based like early D3 as D13 has to get back to the Tardis. Presumably still being in re-gen, D13 will survive the fall to Earth without needing that UnionJack parachute again.

(snip)

If it is Earth based, presumably that will be be for the same reason as in the Pertwee era - the programme has had its budget cut...

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« Reply #1194 on: December 29, 2017, 09:34:57 am »

For those of you who remember Romana the bit about "There are only male Time Lords" is very silly.  For those of us who remember Susan, the Doctor's granddaughter, it's even sillier.  I will wait until I have seen Jodi Whitaker in action.  The "Mork's cousin" wardrobe is more of a question but then again remember Colin Baker's coat.
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« Reply #1195 on: December 29, 2017, 12:40:49 pm »

(snip)

The "Mork's cousin" wardrobe is more of a question but then again remember Colin Baker's coat.

I've worked hard to expunge that one from my memory...

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« Reply #1196 on: December 29, 2017, 01:12:40 pm »

For those of you who remember Romana the bit about "There are only male Time Lords" is very silly.  For those of us who remember Susan, the Doctor's granddaughter, it's even sillier.  I will wait until I have seen Jodi Whitaker in action.  The "Mork's cousin" wardrobe is more of a question but then again remember Colin Baker's coat.
Yes, I won't miss Moffatt's heavy-handed writing. Or his endless maudlin farewells. Or his obsession with Clara. But I will miss Capaldi; it felt as if he was never really allowed to shine, which is a shame as I felt that he could have been an iconic Doctor in the quirky/scary Patrick Troughton mold.

Have they announced if it will be back before Xmas 2018 yet?
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« Reply #1197 on: December 29, 2017, 01:25:17 pm »

September-ish 2018.
Ten episodes, the first 60min, the rest 50min each.
Then presumably a Xmas special.
The companion arrangement already announced.

Spoilers sweetie...
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/23/doctor-who-2018-to-start-with-a-special-feature-length-launch-episode-as-jodie-whittaker-takes-the-helm-7019996/
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« Reply #1198 on: December 29, 2017, 04:22:36 pm »

(snip)

But I will miss Capaldi; it felt as if he was never really allowed to shine, which is a shame as I felt that he could have been an iconic Doctor in the quirky/scary Patrick Troughton mold.

(snip)

I absolutely agree; the overall quality of the stories Capaldi had to work with in his first two series just didn't match up to previous output, although I thought series 10 was much better and showed what should have been during his tenure in the TARDIS. I think for the last few years too much energy was focused on Sherlock leaving Doctor Who as a poor second.

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« Reply #1199 on: December 29, 2017, 09:09:26 pm »

Yeah, too much energy and it was only for a quick few episodes. .... Cry
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