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« Reply #1700 on: May 10, 2014, 08:44:41 am »

or this http://thesciencebookstore.com/wp-content/images/6a00d83542d51e69e201157123ee32970b.jpg
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« Reply #1701 on: May 10, 2014, 09:53:05 pm »

Past Icons As Hipsters:
http://www.ufunk.net/en/artistes/oldschool-heroes-ii-toujours-plus-dicones-pop-a-la-sauce-retro-hipster/
http://www.ufunk.net/en/artistes/oldschool-heroes-les-heros-de-notre-enfance-a-la-sauce-hipster/

 Game Of Thrones and video games in medieval Japan:
http://www.ufunk.net/en/japon/game-of-thrones-medieval-japan/
http://www.ufunk.net/en/jeux-videos/jeux-estampes-japon-medieval/

Superheroes in Ancient Egypt:
http://www.ufunk.net/en/artistes/hero-glyphics/

Bonus:
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DrFaustus-illustrations-9.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/photos/john-wilhelm-creative-dad/attachment/john-wilhelm-10/
http://www.ufunk.net/photos/john-wilhelm-creative-dad/attachment/john-wilhelm-6/
http://www.ufunk.net/photos/john-wilhelm-creative-dad/attachment/john-wilhelm-9/

Phew, quite a big load, isn't ?

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 Japanese Pin Up:
http://www.ufunk.net/japon/pin-up-japon/

1947 Nuclear Security Posters:
http://www.ufunk.net/insolite/posters-for-nuclear-safety/

19th Century Photography Transformed Into Superheros Trading Card:
http://www.ufunk.net/artistes/alex-gross-super-heroes-1870/

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Vintage Posters For Modern Movies :
http://www.ufunk.net/design/modern-movies-vintage-posters/
http://www.ufunk.net/insolite/movies-from-an-alternate-universe-15-affiches-de-films-transportees-dans-une-autre-epoque/

Modern Street Art In 1900's Paris:
http://www.ufunk.net/insolite/street-art-paris-1900/

Surrealist Paintings By Paco Pomet:
http://www.ufunk.net/artistes/paco-pomet/

Apocalypse Pin Up Calendar:
http://www.ufunk.net/illustration/apocalypse-pin-up-calendar/

Okay, i fed up for the moment.

Hello ? Anyone there ? Will this post became longer than the Bible before a another one came by ?
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« Reply #1702 on: June 07, 2014, 03:57:16 pm »

Beautifull Cg Picture:
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Jonathan-Romeo-illustration-02.jpg
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« Reply #1703 on: June 07, 2014, 05:32:41 pm »

Well everyone managed to ignore my post and it was a perfectly valid and I would've thought fairly pertinent question, but there you go.

Still I've spent too much of my life shouting into a void, I don't intend to repeat the experience here, even in an artsy way hehe.

Turn the lights out when you leave, there's a good chap.

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« Reply #1704 on: June 10, 2014, 12:41:46 am »

Heavy Steam Concept Art - Light British Steam Titan



Sheesh, I wonder what a heavy steam titan looks like? Still that's very cool Mr Greenbrier.

A while back I posted a picture by Miss Cris Ortega, an artist of whom I'm rather fond. After a little chat on Facebook recently she informed me there are more Steampunk inspired pics in the pipeline. On researching a little further, I stumbled upon the topic which I'm about to address.

Plagiarism in art!

http://fakeortega.blogspot.co.uk/

Feel free to run it through the translator if necessary, but the pictures do rather speak for themselves and it's not the only site that mentions this.

Now, I'd like to make it clear first and foremost, I remain a big fan of Miss Ortega. This news didn't particularly come as a surprise to me, in fact I'd be surprised if it's not more widespread. It might even be considered standard practice by some, I really don't know. But I'll also concede that in some cases it does look like a rather cheeky copy and paste job with a minimum of manipulation to cover the fact, so I also understand why some folks are a bit up in arms about it.

All I can say is from a musicians stand point, we've been kind of doing this forever. Be it with direct sampling, or ripping off, ahem, excuse me I of course mean being "inspired" by other compositions we may have heard. This is in fact how new musical genres are born, when you essentially get a bunch of artists spring up around the same time that all sound pretty similar. And as you look back through history you will of course see distinctive trends in musical styles.

Personally I try and make a conscious effort not to steal other folks tunes, neither do I sample or even use royalty free loops. But I'm well aware that's extremely standard practice, particularly by working composers who have to churn out compositions in super fast time.

So I would personally equate that to what's happening here with this digital art. But as this is the artist section I just wondered what you all think about it? Are you outraged, indifferent, do you in fact consider this standard practice and perhaps sometimes use a similar technique yourselves?




Sorry, Argus, I didn't see this before. I'm a bit pressed for time at the moment, but I promise I'll be back and make a better post later tonight , probably latenight, if the bluegrass folks don't insist on keeping me out past then.

Now, this thing about copying... I've never directly copied anybody's work and claimed it as my own. yes, I've used parts of pictures and modified the pieces to fit a composition, but in most cases there has always been a certain amount of "by hand" work, meaning I always include a step or two or more in which my own hand alters things without the benefit of electronic help. re-drawing, tracing the redraw, and changing elements om the fly is the usual recipe. using a public domain image, especially from an ancient ad or line or spot work and adding text, changing a facial expression, replacing, say, lutes with banjos, or vice versa, sometimes replacing an 18th-century musical instrument with a sten gun (I wish I still had that one, but it's disappeared), replacing assault rifles with banjos, guitars, mandolins, harps, etc... that sort of thing. Sort of a social statement if you will, though of course I will have to admit that I also just enjoy playing what our European friends call "silly buggers." Kind of like the old Goon Show program.

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Argh, The folks are caterwauling about getting to the jam before they call to see if I've had a wreck or something.

Back later, hopefully
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Walk softly and carry a big banjo...

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« Reply #1705 on: June 10, 2014, 06:19:48 am »

Actually, after having reread the above, I've realized that any addition to it would just be repetition of the same line. A standard and accepted technique artistically, but difficult for others to put up with, conversationally or literarily. So, rather than bore you with it, I'll just end it here and wait to see if there's a response, save to say that my belief is that using stuff outside of teh public domain is not good form, unless one has permission from the originator to do so.

Now, lemme get down offa this soapb- wha-!

CRASH

Oooff...
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« Reply #1706 on: June 12, 2014, 12:32:16 am »

Portraits Made With Bicycle Part:
http://www.ufunk.net/artistes/100-hoopties/

''Steampin-Up'':
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nei-ruffino-09.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nei-ruffino-02.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nei-ruffino-06.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nei-ruffino-05.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nei-ruffino-04.jpg
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nei-ruffino-03.jpg
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« Reply #1707 on: June 12, 2014, 05:05:19 am »

Actually, after having reread the above, I've realized that any addition to it would just be repetition of the same line. A standard and accepted technique artistically, but difficult for others to put up with, conversationally or literarily. So, rather than bore you with it, I'll just end it here and wait to see if there's a response, save to say that my belief is that using stuff outside of teh public domain is not good form, unless one has permission from the originator to do so.

Now, lemme get down offa this soapb- wha-!

CRASH

Oooff...

So if I'm understanding, you have done it yourself? but adjusted the pieces slightly to fit as it were is that correct?

I'm kind of assuming that Cris Ortega is being unfairly singled out here. Although I'll admit some examples from her are pretty blatant. I'm not a digital artist myself so I wouldn't know, but it does seem unlikely she's the only one at it. She may even have permission from at least some of the other artists I really don't know.

As I say it certainly goes on a lot in music. Although being inspired by a melody and then reworking it into a different style of composition, is not quite the same thing as directly sampling a loop or phrase from someone else's track. And obviously back when that was rife, copyright claims were flying around left right and centre. Once a few of them stuck, and some high profile people lost significant amount of royalties as a result (Richard Ashcroft and Fun Loving Criminals being two examples that instantly spring to mind) you'll notice that it really isn't quite so prevalent any more.

I've looked into clearing samples myself, mainly just spoken lines from films rather than music. The standard deal now is, they want 100% of mechanical royalties even if you've just used a few words or whatever, it's totally ridiculous and a whole percentages deal needs to be thrashed out.

But again in this case, I'm interested to see if it continues to happen whether sooner or later someone is actually going to successfully sue. Because it literally is copy-pasting sections from some one else's intellectual property onto your own, even if what you end up with is significantly different. And (as far as I'm aware) there are still fairly standard laws against that so yeah, intriguing stuff.
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« Reply #1708 on: June 12, 2014, 05:38:03 pm »

I did saythat I used/use only public-domain stuff, unless I have permission to use someone else's current idea or copyright.

Current musical law here in the US is largely as you describe for your side ofthe pond, though bluegrass and old-time music having somewhat of a tradition of borrowing and of changing a line or a word or to make it "a different song" does occasionally crop up and muddy the legal waters a bit.
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« Reply #1709 on: June 12, 2014, 06:19:35 pm »

Pardon the double post, but I wasn't sure if anyone else would be replying to this discussion, and didn't want to "ninja" their post if they did so. I felt I ought to add the following, in any case:

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Current musical law here in the US is largely similar to what you describe for your side of the pond, though bluegrass and old-time music having somewhat of a tradition of borrowing and of changing a line or a word or to make it "a different song" does occasionally crop up and muddy the legal waters a bit. Image art law is also somewhat odd, so to speak. Public Domain is usually OK for use...

One has to be careful, though; just because an image is old does not necessarily mean that it is in the public domain. I could use a photograph of a 17th-century painting of a Lord holding a flute and replace that instrument with a banjo, say, with relative safety, since both the artist and the work's possible copyrights and patents would have long run out - but wait! It's possible, or so I've read somewhere, that a certain cropping of the image of the painting could be claimed as a copyrighted work, though that might be stretching the point a bit (making the determination, as you said for your end, typically involves a good deal of legal wrangling. Such cases do happen, but they are somewhat rare.

Still, it's a good reason to scan your own starting image from am old textbook  or coffeetable publication, and work from there. Or, if one is able, do a handpainted copy of the work and scan that. Failing those, sketching and/or painting or line-drawing (or tracing by hand) the cut-and-pasted result of "montageing"
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ones own photographs and images in the public domain, captured from the web, should work.

Musically speaking, I've done my best to originate tunes* which, although they may refer to another work, do not do so so overtly that the word "copying" could be applied to them. There's a difference between a banjoist or other musician embedding a phrase or two from Yankee Doodle into a rendition of Foggy Mountain Breakdown, and transplanting in an entire verse from Blue Moon of Kentucky, for example, without asking permission first (not to mention using FMB in a recording for sale** without Mr. Scruggs, his family's, or their lawyers' permission). Such things do happen in live performances and especially in jam sessions where people are one-upping each other with how fancy they can get, but thats on the fly and largely unpremeditated, so to speak. That'sd a whole world different from planning out and executing a borrowing for a new recorded tune from the beginning.


Yeesh, I wrote a novella again. Sorry about that...

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*In truth, I've only recorded a grand total of three tunes, all of them banjo instrumentals, one of which is a distortion-filled, heavy-metalish version of Seneca Square Dance (A very old fiddle tune and in the public domain); the other two are my own relatively short stylings, one of which could be considered a rant.
**There's considered a to be a huge difference between selling it, and playing it in a jam session with others without profit or admission charged, even if they are recording the session for learning purposes (note that I said "for learning purposes." that's the defining difference, that it is not for personal or collective profit-but even then problems can arise).
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« Reply #1710 on: June 12, 2014, 06:56:20 pm »

And yet again(LOL). I just realized what you were referring to.



Actually, after having reread the above, I've realized that any addition to it would just be repetition of the same line. A standard and accepted technique artistically, but difficult for others to put up with, conversationally or literarily. So, rather than bore you with it, I'll just end it here and wait to see if there's a response, save to say that my belief is that using stuff outside of teh public domain is not good form, unless one has permission from the originator to do so.

Now, lemme get down offa this soapb- wha-!

CRASH

Oooff...




The line that is re-colored in green is intended as sort of a pun, and as a humorous dig at the the tendency of people in general to repeat themselves unnecessarily (which I hop I haven't done here Wink).

So much for the relevancy of my "novella"... Cheesy
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« Reply #1711 on: June 12, 2014, 07:05:34 pm »

Sure, I will underline I wasn't criticising you for doing it. As I said in my original post, I feel it's quite possible this is a standard practice, (particularly with digital artists anyway) but I'm not one so I really wouldn't know.

I mean obviously when it comes to legal action, money can often be the galvanising factor. Someone like Cris Ortega is a commercial artist, in that she does take commissions, sell prints, release calenders etc. But whether she's making the kind of cash Richard Ashcroft was potentially making when The Verve released Bitter Sweet Symphony without having cleared the Rolling Stones string sample *facepalm* is unlikely.

That tune was a big hit, at least here in the UK, and he lost pretty much everything from it in a landmark court case that really heralded the end of the free sample ride.

But yeah it seems unlikely anything that high profile could result from the release of a digital painting. And personally unless the picture really is a blatant uncredited copy of the source material, I really don't have a problem with it. But at the same time I can certainly sympathise with how some folks might.

In Miss Ortega's case, if it hadn't been pointed out I would probably never even have noticed. But there's little doubt she's doing it. Just check the cybernetic eyes in these two pictures for example.

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Personally I think it's kinda funny and both pictures are certainly very different. But I understand how the original artist, or indeed his fans, may not find it funny at all.
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« Reply #1712 on: June 12, 2014, 07:24:23 pm »

I'm not sure if you could really call me a "digital" artist; I'm more of a "Real Life" or "analogue" (pardon the really bad and hopelessly vague pun) artist who posts his work digitally. Maybe that's what digital artists actually are; I really don't know, to be honest.

I recorded Seneca Ravedance (The heavy metal banjo recording) on a stereo cassette tape and then recorded that recording and messed around with it in an early build of Audacity, so that could almost be considered a digital sound painting, I suppose.

The other two, Elephants On The Roof (the rant) and El Picaflor (The Hummingbird) were recorded directly into the computer using a digital mic in an old-fashioned spring reverb box and the same build of Audacity. I'll post them on BG someplace if I can find them; I think they're still on my Banjo Hangout profile page. I hope...
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« Reply #1713 on: June 12, 2014, 10:53:01 pm »

I drew this for my art 101 final. 



It is supposed to be a location in the story I am trying to write.  I modeled its design after a chandelier frame and castle exterior.
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« Reply #1714 on: June 13, 2014, 02:06:54 am »

I drew this for my art 101 final. 



It is supposed to be a location in the story I am trying to write.  I modeled its design after a chandelier frame and castle exterior.





That looks intriguing. A floating/flying castle?
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« Reply #1715 on: June 13, 2014, 07:27:29 am »

I drew this for my art 101 final.  



It is supposed to be a location in the story I am trying to write.  I modeled its design after a chandelier frame and castle exterior.



That looks intriguing. A floating/flying castle?


A bit of both actually.  It is a floating fortress and airship harbor that roams the Pacific.  In context to the story it is meant to be the home and HQ for the "Steamlords",  who are essentially steampunk peacekeepers.
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« Reply #1716 on: June 20, 2014, 09:42:27 pm »

My latest creations, a not quite complete steampunk representation of the medicine Wheel. There some stuff like the times and inner ennemy associated to each direction i forgot, but this is the intentions who count.
http://chicar.deviantart.com/art/Medicine-Gearwheel-462257540?ga_submit_new=10%253A1403296653
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« Reply #1717 on: June 21, 2014, 06:01:51 am »

My latest creations, a not quite complete steampunk representation of the medicine Wheel. There some stuff like the times and inner ennemy associated to each direction i forgot, but this is the intentions who count.
http://chicar.deviantart.com/art/Medicine-Gearwheel-462257540?ga_submit_new=10%253A1403296653




That's interesting; it strikes me as being similar in concept to an astrolabe's 'winds' plate, with diffeent winds allegorically related to certain emotions or humors base don their orientation to the center or zenith. (paease pardon my speculation).
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« Reply #1718 on: June 21, 2014, 07:19:40 am »

That effectively a way of see it, except we speaking more of virtue and quality. Its a pathway to wisdom. As my source ( a podcast ) said , it is like a one legged table , too much weight in one direction, it risk to tip over , all your weight to the center, you obtain equilibrium.

I hope this lesson of shamanistic dogma doesn't break any rules, thought.
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« Reply #1719 on: June 28, 2014, 06:46:04 am »

Well, I just looked all over the forum for a place to post 2d pieces and lo and behold this thread has been sitting just above where I've been posting for the last couple of years... forest for the trees...
Anyway, here are a couple of bits of pixel art...a retro artwork, for a much more retro concept Smiley
Hope I don't get flogged by any Cthulhu purists Wink

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The Feisty Barnacle
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« Reply #1720 on: June 28, 2014, 08:25:51 am »

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« Reply #1721 on: June 28, 2014, 08:45:14 am »

Hahahhahahhaha. We'll played sir Smiley
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« Reply #1722 on: July 14, 2014, 04:04:50 pm »

Pop Culture Meet Medieval Japan:
http://www.ufunk.net/japon/ukiyoe-pop-culture/

Fun With 1960's Italian Furniture Design:
http://www.ufunk.net/photos/1968-radical-italian-furniture/

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On The Accidental Steamyness Of Jupiter Ascending's Ad:
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc4OTM0MTE5MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNzEzNzc0MTE@._V1_SX214_AL_.jpg
http://www.hdmgalaxy.net/_sf/27/2776.jpg

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The Batman Alternatives Essential:
http://babaviral.com/post/batman_through_past_and_future

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Disney Princess Mucha Style Pin Up:
http://geektyrant.com/news/2013/7/2/disney-princesses-mucha-style-pin-up-art


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« Reply #1723 on: September 03, 2014, 02:58:24 pm »



Sphinks, my cute warrior Octopus!
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« Reply #1724 on: September 07, 2014, 08:56:16 am »

Some of my more steampunk drawings... (if I have sorted out how to upload them)


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