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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2007, 01:05:56 am »

...You are all just human beings (I think)...
It's dangerous to assume things..

However, that's a good point, that "a person who likes steampunk" might be better than "a steampunk"
That makes it a description rather than a label.
The discussion is still valid, though, in that the term can be confusing to some however it's used.
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2007, 01:12:36 am »

Well yes my reply was directed more at the last few posts, that were veering into what the posters refer to "themselves" as. The initial topic of this thread was how does one describe Steampunk to the initiated.
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2007, 01:15:33 am »

"What's steampunk you ask?

Here kid, this is a leather bound volume of the entire works of jules verne.  Read that.

Also, here is the complete history of the railway industry.  Read that.

And finially,  Here is The Difference Engine, and a copy of make magazine.


If you get through all that and you're still interested, I'll see you on the forum."

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2007, 01:40:52 am »

Maybe I'll start calling myself a steampunk/neo-victorian retro-futurist. That should be enough that people who don't immediately understand will be afraid of it too much to ask for elaboration.

Hear hear! I think I'll start using that one myself.

Also, I largely agree with the gentle Sir Process that it's a bad idea to hurry the subculturization process by using 'steampunk' as a label. Better to derail inquiries about labels and subcultural affiliation and just talk about what you do and who you are.

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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2007, 05:42:23 am »

At a long-past SF-convention, I managed to get an interesting response from a group of goth-punk (by the White Wolf definition) underage  wannabe's  "Imagine that Jules Verne and H.P. Lovecraft had a love-child. Now, come back when you figure out what to do with those handcuffs.."
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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2010, 09:06:22 pm »

Or if the TV cartoon sieres "Johnie Quest' and Disney's "Mary Poppins" had a love child if you are talking to a geezer Grin                I resemble that remark Shocked
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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2010, 09:49:50 pm »

Having been a PuNk for nearly 35 years now I have no difficulty explaining Steampunk to rockers. If at first they don't understand I tell them to f*** off, that 'Sid did it' and maybe they should read a book sometime. Then, of course, I gob on them....

But seriously people..

Not all punk rockers are stupid and/or uneducated.

Stereotypes, eh?
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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2010, 01:17:38 am »

I know it's terribly lazy, but to be honest, I normally just tell people to google it!  Cheesy
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2010, 06:35:06 am »

Real punk died a long time ago!

Long gone are the days of the Bonn Square Punks and the battles with the Oxford Teddy Boys!

I can remember meeting a mohawk punk from Marseille in Amsterdam about 20 years ago, he was carrying a classic postcard of the Carnaby Street punks........all he wanted to do was meet them, I didn't have the heart to tell him that they had all grown up and moved on!!

So when dealing with young punks who think they have "invented punk" for themsleves, as somebody who lived through the original revolution of the 70's Rockula's approach will be adopted!!
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2010, 07:29:19 am »

I call it steampunk, but usually follow it up with something like, "Which is basically what it would look like if the future happened in the past". It doesn't even begin to cover steampunk as a whole, but it usually gives people a slight idea of what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2010, 01:24:23 pm »


Its goth that's been out in the sun too long Wink
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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2010, 11:23:28 pm »

reading this makes me realise just how similar we all are .i feel special ,and not wet myself in asda special Smiley

anyway..............i normally just get a book ,tell them to go away ,read it and report back to me ,if they still dotn egt it ,or they dont read (who deosnt read!) then i give them the time machine on dvd.
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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2010, 03:18:43 am »

i had this problem with my friend today she is wat some may call a chav or scally. she said wat the hell is steampunk and i said imagine the victorian era with modern tech and she looked at me blank before saying in a verry high pitched voice " what you mean like wild wild west and 20,000 leages under the sea?" i said yes and she looked at me again quite confused and asked so how many people dress like that i gave her a rough number of the ppl on this forum as an example and she said and here comes the stupidity of the chav so that many people want to dress like people that have been dead for over 100 years. i promptly slapped her and walked off leaving a copy of league of extraordinary gentlemen she phoned me later and asked me to go shoping with her to get some steampunk style attire, so by first being insulted i managed to convince a chav that this aint wiered and she dint even ask about the punk bit in the name Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2010, 03:45:49 am »

I'm shuddering at the thought of chavs going steampunk. Heaven forbid it should happen in mass.
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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2010, 04:11:30 am »

First note, I think hawks and piercings go awesomely well with steampunk.  But I guess I'm one of those anarchist types that still has a crush on cyberpunk even though he won't return my calls...

I had a good way of explaining this to some of the punks and goths I hang out with:

"Imagine if we grabbed one of the cyberpunk kids and one of the romanti-goths, shoved them in a dark closet with a bottle of vodka, locked the door and came back a half hour later after they tried to swap clothes."

You explanation will always vary based on your audience of course.
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2010, 04:23:34 am »

Personally I don't even explain steampunk to people. I just tell people that I'm more stylish than them. Then I explain that Yvon, the man who cuts my hair, is the only decent barber in town. He also does an excellent job of trimming my moustache.

My favorite salon aside... I am the frontman for a punk band. Bouncers/bartenders/promoters/show-goers are usually very surprised to see me so done up nicely when they see me hauling gear to the venue and then getting up on stage and giving it my all. I guess I am a steam"punk" at the end of the day. My lack of silly hair, piercings, back patches, and studded-everythings makes me an individual when I walk into certain bars Tongue
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2010, 02:10:18 am »

a lot of my friends are punks, before i knew what 'steampunk' was, i was just a punk in a tophat and westcut... when i first learned about steampunk i had some of my punk buddies listen to some dr. steel and abney park, they weren't huge fans, i cant say i am either... but ever since then they talk about me as a 'steam-punk'  and infant since i first brought it up, they refer to any punk in a tophat/bowler/bonnet and lace as a 'steam-punk'

i was huge into the kansascity punk scene for a while, and that was the first place anyone ever looked at me and said
"dude... steampunk?"

i don't really have a point here and i am tired of getting non-conformist-preachy about this exact subject. i guess the only reason i bring this up is because my experience is that punks are pretty accepting of steampunks... that is until someone calls them
"punk-punk" asif to say they need their genre reinforced by a prefix...
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so, just say steampunk like they are supposed to know what you are talking about and instantly they should know at least 2 other people who they think are steampunk... and if they get all weird about it, then they are too pretentious to be punks anyway...
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« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2010, 03:50:08 am »

a lot of my friends are punks, before i knew what 'steampunk' was, i was just a punk in a tophat and westcut... when i first learned about steampunk i had some of my punk buddies listen to some dr. steel and abney park, they weren't huge fans, i cant say i am either... but ever since then they talk about me as a 'steam-punk'  and infant since i first brought it up, they refer to any punk in a tophat/bowler/bonnet and lace as a 'steam-punk'

i was huge into the kansascity punk scene for a while, and that was the first place anyone ever looked at me and said
"dude... steampunk?"

i don't really have a point here and i am tired of getting non-conformist-preachy about this exact subject. i guess the only reason i bring this up is because my experience is that punks are pretty accepting of steampunks... that is until someone calls them
"punk-punk" asif to say they need their genre reinforced by a prefix...
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so, just say steampunk like they are supposed to know what you are talking about and instantly they should know at least 2 other people who they think are steampunk... and if they get all weird about it, then they are too pretentious to be punks anyway...

    i compleately agree i have a few punk mates from my teen years and they always sugest ways to mod my coats, a few of them have even tracked down a beautiful pair of aviator goggles in thrift stores and one found me a great pair of boots in one of her usual punky shops that will go perfect with my redcoat and leather Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2010, 10:59:53 pm »

Similar to what others have said, I don't use the term "steampunk" at all except with people who already know the phrase.
In fact, the only reason I use the term "steampunk" at all is for ease of conversation.   Otherwise, I am a bit more specific, depending on the circumstance.

Personally, I am not overly fond of the phrase, but I have adapted to its use.
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2010, 01:10:15 am »

I'm shuddering at the thought of chavs going steampunk. Heaven forbid it should happen in mass.


Personally, if it ended up being this cool I'd be all for it...

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« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2010, 02:44:10 pm »

Perhaps something like this would be a useful visual educational tool. Grin

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« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2010, 06:56:02 pm »

i had this problem with my friend today she is wat some may call a chav or scally. she said wat the hell is steampunk and i said imagine the victorian era with modern tech and she looked at me blank before saying in a verry high pitched voice " what you mean like wild wild west and 20,000 leages under the sea?" i said yes and she looked at me again quite confused and asked so how many people dress like that i gave her a rough number of the ppl on this forum as an example and she said and here comes the stupidity of the chav so that many people want to dress like people that have been dead for over 100 years. i promptly slapped her and walked off leaving a copy of league of extraordinary gentlemen she phoned me later and asked me to go shoping with her to get some steampunk style attire, so by first being insulted i managed to convince a chav that this aint wiered and she dint even ask about the punk bit in the name Smiley

Chav demeanour in a petty coat, truly a force to be reckoned with. Anybody else fancy joining me in a raucous round of "the rain in Spain."

as for the wider question:

When talking to Camden punks as soon as we got onto how plastic and mass made everything is these days then its plan sailing all the way.
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