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Author Topic: A Rant, in which I express displeasure at the lack of proper English usage.  (Read 15663 times)
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« Reply #125 on: October 03, 2007, 06:58:10 am »

I second that motion.
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« Reply #126 on: October 04, 2007, 07:44:43 pm »

Well, this is one of the better fora I have found for well written English. Although I recently came across several terrible posts in a discussion on another location, which I found practically indecipherable.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13101971&postcount=166
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13102051&postcount=169

How is one supposed to carry on a reasonable, intelligent discussion with comments like that?

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I cannot force people to spell, punctuate, and use correct grammar. I will shout at you, consider you an idiot, or ignore you if you can't be bothered. I, and very few others, expect perfect posting. This is an internet forum, but it's still not a mobile phone message. I'm not saying that people must use perfect Queen's English, just that you have words spelled right, you check your grammar, and that you use punctuation well and accurately. Don't say "Oh, I can read it, so any other Englishman can." There's plenty of non-native English speakers in most places, have a thought for them please. Oh, and remember to paragraph.

There are people who try to use these locations for intelligent, informed discussion. These people deserve the ability to carry out said discussion without having to decipher cryptic nonsense which pushes the signal/noise ratio through the roof.

This is an internet forum. This means it is asynchronous public communication. Treat it like you would a business e-mail - be careful with your language, and check your spelling and grammar. Consider every post before posting it, and if you're not sure, look up words or rules. If you're coming across flamy, wait half an hour and calm down a bit, then rewrite it less nastily. Try try try to avoid stupid flames in the heat of passion, they will come back to haunt you. You do not have to respond instantly with bad spelling and five sequential posts - you'll earn far more respect with one well thought out, well written message.

[/rant]

There we go. That's not really aimed at anyone in here, and it's probably safer than letting it loose at those who were irritating me in the first place. It also has a lot of advice in it, most of that stuff I've picked up in my years haunting these places.

Incidentally, please don't think that all Politics students are as stupid as the fellow I linked earlier - I'm studying it myself.
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« Reply #127 on: October 05, 2007, 12:44:02 am »

I am a man of science, not a man of letters. I read much and quickly. When my text scanning encounters egregious spelling or grammar, I stumble and suffer a loss of concentration and continuity. I am more interested in communication than in the form of the language and find that bad writing is bad communication.

One other evil I encounter frequently in online fora is the bastard preposition with no definite antecedent: "Tom, Bill, and Joe spoke and he made a lot of sense." To whom does "he" refer?

Then we encounter the plural possessive with no plural antecedent, as in "Many a good man gives their best effort."

I am trained too well in English, I fear.
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« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2007, 10:40:21 am »

There is, however, a magical place on the internet called Facepunch, where there is a vicious regime of a "smartness" scale. This encourages good spelling.
Downside is, facepunch has over-zelous moderators and an autoban system.
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« Reply #129 on: October 07, 2007, 07:15:32 am »

I hate to say it but it does really bother me when people don't use conjugations correctly.

If you seriously do not know that "they're" is actually the words "they are", I have no sympathy...

Sadly, in Minnesota, the local accent is quite often grammatically incorrect.
For example, there is no word "lend" in the vocabulary, so when you'd like to borrow something, most people here say, "Will you borrow me this?" It's awful...I'm constantly correcting people.

Or not using the word "well" correctly. For example, if I was to ask you how your day went, you'd answer, "It went good." Yikes! Again, I correct the silly people of this state; "No, your day went well."

I'm just a stickler for correct grammar.
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« Reply #130 on: October 16, 2007, 05:55:18 pm »

People hate me for correcting them.
Sadly, even I have lapses in my grammar.
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« Reply #131 on: October 16, 2007, 11:05:34 pm »

I am highly aggravated when the word "highly" is used highly incorrectly. "Highly" is highly used as a filler word by people who think they are highly intelligent. There are a high number adjectives and adverbs in the highly English language that one should be able to find a describer highly suitable for the specific subject.

“Irregardless" is another word used by the pseudo-intellectual.
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« Reply #132 on: October 17, 2007, 07:54:45 pm »

Sadly, in Minnesota, the local accent is quite often grammatically incorrect.

I've noticed that sort of thing through-out the Mid-West. The agrammatical "anymore" is fantastically grating.
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« Reply #133 on: October 18, 2007, 04:20:40 pm »

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hello are u thick thick our something just beacue i knwo this doese not mean i get it form the papers jesues try takignn politics for a levels then at uni , for fuck sake and when some of your family waork for the civil service soem people jeuses For example israial the nations around there figth for that land and the news and govermetns and papers say the land was given to them, that reading it form teh papers when actually, jewdasim came form there then a so called pecaefull religon forced them out, so techniqually plaistine belongs to the jews not the muslims whicht eh news and medai think it does, so u can shut up
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« Reply #134 on: October 22, 2007, 04:40:28 am »

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hello are u thick thick our something just beacue i knwo this doese not mean i get it form the papers jesues try takignn politics for a levels then at uni , for fuck sake and when some of your family waork for the civil service soem people jeuses For example israial the nations around there figth for that land and the news and govermetns and papers say the land was given to them, that reading it form teh papers when actually, jewdasim came form there then a so called pecaefull religon forced them out, so techniqually plaistine belongs to the jews not the muslims whicht eh news and medai think it does, so u can shut up
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That is completely illegible and frankly rather sickening.  Embarrassed
Poor English language. I feel bad for it.
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« Reply #135 on: October 22, 2007, 10:12:02 pm »

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hello are u thick thick our something just beacue i knwo this doese not mean i get it form the papers jesues try takignn politics for a levels then at uni , for fuck sake and when some of your family waork for the civil service soem people jeuses For example israial the nations around there figth for that land and the news and govermetns and papers say the land was given to them, that reading it form teh papers when actually, jewdasim came form there then a so called pecaefull religon forced them out, so techniqually plaistine belongs to the jews not the muslims whicht eh news and medai think it does, so u can shut up
ARG! I am totally horrified!
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That is completely illegible and frankly rather sickening.  Embarrassed
Poor English language. I feel bad for it.

(Hm, that should be a more sensible quote order)

I know, atrocious isn't it? I was particularly impressed by 'plaistine'. We eventually decided he must have meant 'plasticine' - seems to be the closest spelling.

Edit: There we go, that's proper quotes now.
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« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2007, 02:42:56 am »

I think it's "Palestine", but if you are correct, I find it surprising that someone who writes like that would know a word like "plasticine" at all!
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« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2007, 11:56:07 am »

I think it's "Palestine", but if you are correct, I find it surprising that someone who writes like that would know a word like "plasticine" at all!
Who's a Philistine again...?
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« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2007, 05:02:27 pm »

I must say, the standard of grammer on this forum is greatly higher than that on other forums. I spend much of my time on RP forums and have come across one particular person who is such a one-off idiot we made an insult inspired by him. Don didn't even use speech marks after several times of being told to. Eventualy they made a rule on the forum saying "No Don".
But anyway, I have not noticed much in the way of bad grammer, the one I find annoys me most, is peoples incapability to use apostrophes properly. For instance "It mas Mike's Steam powered Monowheel."
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« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2007, 07:27:57 pm »


     Dear Bracer,

     I'm one of the apostrophe culprits.  It's a part of the English grammar that I never
completely mastered. 

     Vienna
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« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2007, 10:42:28 pm »


     Dear Bracer,

     I'm one of the apostrophe culprits.  It's a part of the English grammar that I never
completely mastered. 

     Vienna

The rule of thumb I use is: Apostrophe to indicate contractions (they're instead of they are) or possession (Mike's shoes meaning the shoes that belong to Mike). Reverse for its/it's, where possession is indicated with no apostrophe.

For a more thorough explanation, read Eats, Shoots and Leaves, by Lynne Truss.
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« Reply #141 on: October 24, 2007, 03:18:18 am »

Reverse for its/it's, where possession is indicated with no apostrophe.

That's not really a "reverse". "It" is a pronoun, like him and her. The possessive form of "him" is "his", and the possessive form of "her" is "hers". Neither carry an apostrophe, so it follows the rule for pronouns, not real nouns. Smiley

*Excepting, of course, when "her" is in front of another noun. I just got lectured by Girlfriend d'Ignoti. I guess that's what I get for dating someone with an advanced degree.
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« Reply #142 on: October 24, 2007, 05:48:40 pm »

Reverse for its/it's, where possession is indicated with no apostrophe.

That's not really a "reverse". "It" is a pronoun, like him and her. The possessive form of "him" is "his", and the possessive form of "her" is "hers". Neither carry an apostrophe, so it follows the rule for pronouns, not real nouns. Smiley

*Excepting, of course, when "her" is in front of another noun. I just got lectured by Girlfriend d'Ignoti. I guess that's what I get for dating someone with an advanced degree.

Yeah, very true. It might not be quite accurate, but I find that it works.
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« Reply #143 on: October 24, 2007, 09:17:07 pm »

I confess I use apostraphes a great deal instead of quote marks simply because I'm too lazy to use the Shift key.
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« Reply #144 on: November 06, 2007, 04:02:50 pm »

Although I admit I was seriously annoyed the first time I heard a newscaster on a national program state that someone had been "dissed"
-I have been doing some research on Regency and Victorian gambling and I have to confess I get frustrated with some Victorians' style of writing even in published books. I guess I'm spoiled by modern writers who are accustomed to getting a point across more directly.
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« Reply #145 on: November 06, 2007, 09:42:01 pm »

Hm, I would say the standards of this forum is rather high....  Or maybe that's because I came fresh from GaiaOnline. 

Personally, I am not fan of grammer studies.  I use what I've picked up from reading constantly, and attempt to use common sense when I'm constructing a sentence.  And really, most people (in my bit of the country, at least) use perfectly understandable English -- with a few mistakes and colloquialisms of course, but at least intelligible....  but mention some sort of "pronoun antecedent" gook, and my eyes glaze over.  Really, if the sentence makes perfect sense, why spend time dissecting it?

What bothers me is the "roxerZ my soxerZ !!!11!!!!" junk.  It's certainly not English....

People in my area seem to have difficulty with a few phrases, however.  My least favorite being "So don't I".  So do not I?? What--what does that mean??  Is that affirmative or negative?  It doesn't even sound right...  Shocked  I have never heard that wording 'till only a few years ago, and I have not a clue where it came from....
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« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2007, 09:59:57 pm »

*looks at posts on Jolt*
Cough
*fetches smelling salts*
 


The correct use of apostrophes are one of my main fetishes (which I mean in an entirely old-fashioned way). In forums I don't mind their misuse, as it is so easy to mistype something, but in publications they are very annoying indeed.

I too thoroughly endorse Ms Truss' Eats, Shoots and Leaves, a pleasantly down-to-earth yet erudite guide.
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