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Author Topic: Emilie Autumn???  (Read 3428 times)
Josh of Vernian Process
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« on: February 23, 2007, 10:06:59 pm »

Anyone here listen to her "music"?

I personally do not see how people keep refering to her as a Steampunk related musician. She plays some harpsichord, and violin, but her music is so aggro and Industrial-Metal it really annoys me. She even refers to her music as "victoriandustrial" (what ever the hell that means?!).

Personally I think she sounds like a second rate Rasputina, that appeals to angsty teenagers.

Of course... I've not heard her whole LP, so if any of you know of any songs that might appeal to me, please feel free to leave suggestions. I'm always open to new music, but what I'v heard so far didn't do it for me.
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2007, 11:14:36 pm »

i'm not gonna lie, she's hot. but your absolutly right. there's nothing really steampunk about her music except her clothes.
but as long as there's no set style of steampunk, it's always going to be seen as perfectly fine to make any type of music and call it steampunk as long as the person is wearing a vest or a corset and a pocketwatch.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007, 12:13:36 am »

She even refers to her music as "victoriandustrial" (what ever the hell that means?!).

I don't know about the music, but I love the wordplay! Grin
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2007, 12:14:35 am »

i'm not gonna lie, she's hot. but your absolutly right. there's nothing really steampunk about her music except her clothes.
but as long as there's no set style of steampunk, it's always going to be seen as perfectly fine to make any type of music and call it steampunk as long as the person is wearing a vest or a corset and a pocketwatch.

Oh yeah she's hot for sure! But yeah I think you just summed up my thoughts right there. Take these modern Emo bands like My Chemical Romance, and Panic! At the Disco for example. Nothing remotely Steampunk there, but they get classified as such, because they wear neo-victorian outfits.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2007, 04:53:07 am »

I agree that clothes alone do not make one steampunk.  Neither does a few retro-tech in a movie, nor the description of a locomotive in a book.  One must be more than a fleeting or superficial part to claim the whole of steampunk.  Miss Autumn is not steampunk, her music selections range from medieval topics to rhythms found in modern R&B/pop.  She does have pieces that seem to be close to "dark cabaret", but these are not the popular ones.

Now before we send her off to the gallows, I would like to bring up one point.  Steampunk (even with its honorable literary history) is still an emergent culture, and it is bound to see people reaching out in all directions to test the boundaries and definitions of what steampunk is.  And, as was mentioned in the wonderful article on <a href="http://www.geocities.com/soho/9094/STEAM61.html">steampunk music</a> from Victorian Adventurers in a Past that Wasn't!, a solid definition of what is steampunk music have yet to be settled on.

Also, try to focus on the service she is providing.  She may not fit our definition of steampunk, but by putting name out there, she is attracting more people to the culture.  We most likely won't enjoy what the "n00bs" do with the culture, but whenever has the old guard thought that the next generation was doing anything but destroying the world?  The more people who know and join the culture, the more the culture will find itself.

Anyway... enough ranting.  You may send the clockwork gnomes to drag me away now.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2007, 08:02:23 am »

I actually do listen to and enjoy her music personally. In fairness I've been a fan of industrial music for years so its a style that suits me.  Some of her music isn't totally my cup of tea. others songs though do strike my fancy. The stuff she produces that I enjoy the most though is her instrumentals. I suggest that if you look at her myspace page listen to the song unlaced, which is half the title of her upcoming album laced/unlaced, (2 discs no vocals, one disc classical pieces the other her style combining violin/ harpsicord with industrial stylings interwoven within.)

Of course sometimes it all boils down to taste.

I've read a couple interviews with her in music magazines, she's never declared herself to be steampunk in them. she bases her music off of classical music from the victorian era. Which is why she calls it victorindustrial and not steampunk.
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2007, 07:59:31 pm »

Absolutely! Right on all accounts. I am afraid it is in my nature to try and give anything steampunk a solid definition. I feel like a fairly good judge of a musicians influences (I am a fan of many more varying genres then the Goth/Industrial family tree) and mood to know when I spot elements that have a steampunk influence though, and Emilie Autumn (like you mentioned as well)  doesn't really come close to that. I mean look at The Cassettes, they are a really good example of music that could easily work in a steampunk setting. But they don't sound anything like what I would imagine Steampunk music to sound like. Regardless I can not argue that they don't belong under the Steampunk genre (because they really do).

I am totally open to new interpretations of Steampunk music at all times. I think a lot of people may see me as being biased towards a particular sound or style, and I have noticed many people who have told me that my own projct doesn't capture their idea of steampunk. I would like to point out one major difference with my music as compared to say Abney Park, Doctor Steel, The Cassettes, Dresden Dolls, or any of the other current bands that Steampunk fans listen to and have accepted as part of the genre... and that is that:

Vernian Process (unlike the aformentioned bands) was created with the singular goal to provide music that would be suitable for a Steampunk setting/environment. All of the other bands got the Steampunk tag either from fans identifying them as such, or as an after thought. That is why while some of my music doesn't quite make someone think of steampunk, I find it hard to believe anyone could really listen to any of my pieces and watch any kind of steampunk visual accompaniment, and not feel that the two gel together.  I am not saying that my project defines steampunk music in any way at all. But I am saying that it was created expressley with Steampunk in mind.

And to address your last point, you are totally correct. The more people that become aware of the genre the better. The only problem with that (much like what happened to the G/I scene) is that eventually the new guard will misunderstand the roots of the genre, and it will mutate into some  hybrid that has very little in common with the the true definition of Steampunk (much like Goth music mutated into Futurepop which has nothing at aall to do with the origins of that scene).

How I love Steampunk, and have loved it for the past 20 years or more!

I only look forward to finding new artists that capture the same spirit of adventure.

I agree that clothes alone do not make one steampunk.  Neither does a few retro-tech in a movie, nor the description of a locomotive in a book.  One must be more than a fleeting or superficial part to claim the whole of steampunk.  Miss Autumn is not steampunk, her music selections range from medieval topics to rhythms found in modern R&B/pop.  She does have pieces that seem to be close to "dark cabaret", but these are not the popular ones.

Now before we send her off to the gallows, I would like to bring up one point.  Steampunk (even with its honorable literary history) is still an emergent culture, and it is bound to see people reaching out in all directions to test the boundaries and definitions of what steampunk is.  And, as was mentioned in the wonderful article on <a href="http://www.geocities.com/soho/9094/STEAM61.html">steampunk music</a> from Victorian Adventurers in a Past that Wasn't!, a solid definition of what is steampunk music have yet to be settled on.

Also, try to focus on the service she is providing.  She may not fit our definition of steampunk, but by putting name out there, she is attracting more people to the culture.  We most likely won't enjoy what the "n00bs" do with the culture, but whenever has the old guard thought that the next generation was doing anything but destroying the world?  The more people who know and join the culture, the more the culture will find itself.

Anyway... enough ranting.  You may send the clockwork gnomes to drag me away now.
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2007, 08:01:55 pm »

Thank you for that information. I might actually enjoy her instrumental work, it is her voice that really got on my nerves when sampling her work in the past. It wouldn't be so bad if she didn't distort it to the point of clipping. Whoever engineered that album really needs to learn a thing or two about overlevelling channels.

I actually do listen to and enjoy her music personally. In fairness I've been a fan of industrial music for years so its a style that suits me.  Some of her music isn't totally my cup of tea. others songs though do strike my fancy. The stuff she produces that I enjoy the most though is her instrumentals. I suggest that if you look at her myspace page listen to the song unlaced, which is half the title of her upcoming album laced/unlaced, (2 discs no vocals, one disc classical pieces the other her style combining violin/ harpsicord with industrial stylings interwoven within.)

Of course sometimes it all boils down to taste.

I've read a couple interviews with her in music magazines, she's never declared herself to be steampunk in them. she bases her music off of classical music from the victorian era. Which is why she calls it victorindustrial and not steampunk.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2007, 09:16:24 pm »

The only other real Steampunk themed musicians I've ever seen besides Vernian Process, are Abney Park. If nothing else, their website design is pretty nifty. http://www.abneypark.com/
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2007, 10:10:22 pm »

Yes Abney Park is a good example of a band who totally has the visual aesthetic nailed down. Unfortunately most of their music still has the same medeavel and modern influences that they used before making their aesthetic switch to Steampunk (they used to look like any other Goth/Industrial band with Darkwave leanings). I would love to see Robert, Magdalene, and co. release some truly victorian inspired work.

I did a remix of their track The Wrong Side, kind of to show that they have a good basis, they just need to focus more on the old world elements, instead of the modern Industrial Dance stuff. That influence really turns me off from most of their work in general. I just don't equate Futurepop beats to Steampunk?

You can hear the remix here if you're interested?
http://ia311510.us.archive.org/1/items/vernianremix/abney_park_the_wrong_side_vernian_process_mix.mp3

The only other real Steampunk themed musicians I've ever seen besides Vernian Process, are Abney Park. If nothing else, their website design is pretty nifty. http://www.abneypark.com/
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2007, 10:26:34 pm »

Guys, no. No no no.

MEREDITH YAYANOS!

http://myspace.com/theparlourtrick

Everybody go listen to the song Mystery Train! From beginning to end!

Accept no imitations. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2007, 01:25:00 am »

Very nice! I sent her a message on myspace (now to see if she ever responds?).

I've heard her work in The Vanity Set before.
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2007, 02:30:52 am »

And to address your last point, you are totally correct. The more people that become aware of the genre the better. The only problem with that (much like what happened to the G/I scene) is that eventually the new guard will misunderstand the roots of the genre, and it will mutate into some hybrid that has very little in common with the the true definition of Steampunk (much like Goth music mutated into Futurepop which has nothing at all to do with the origins of that scene).

And the eventual misunderstanding is always too soon.  No culture appears from thin air and always is the mutant child of some other culture(s).  Enjoy the pioneering days of this culture and don't worry too much about tomorrow, it'll be here far too soon... Smiley
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