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James Harrison
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« on: October 26, 2011, 11:24:09 am »

As some (okay, most) people who know me are aware, I'm something of an inveterate model maker.  Thing is, pretty much every project I've done so far (with the exception of last summer's Stirling Single) has been a built-straight-out-of-the-Airfix-box job. 

But for the last few weeks I've been slowly and quietly been working on a 95% scratchbuild model.  I would have showcased it earlier but for my fear, until this last weekend at least, that it would all end in tears/ on fire/ in the bin never to be spoken of again. 

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What we're looking at here is a 1/600 stand-off scale model of the light cruiser Leipzig.  The bottom of the hull (up to the waterline) and the propellors came off a broken Revell Prinz Eugen model, whilst everything else has been scratchbuilt by myself.  The remainder of the hull is a series of laminations of 6mm balsa (there are three, all told), which has cut out with a scalpel and then sanded down, before being coated with milliput and smoothed down.  The superstructure is largely 0.5mm plastic sheet, although paper has also been used to a great extent (particularly for the platforms on the mast and forming the top of the funnel). 

The whole has been painted with humbrol enamels- two coats over all- but what remains to be done now are really only the gun turrets and the AA armament. 

And then after this project I'm going to start looking at building a couple of ex-Great Central railway locomotives- again largely from scratch and dependant upon the availability of chassis- an N5 tank engine, a J11 small goods engine and a D10 express engine. 
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 11:31:34 am »

Very nice James. I particularly like the way you have captured the knuckle in the forward sections and also the very elegant stern.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 03:07:24 am »

Agreed,that is an awesome job!!

Just wanted to add some sincere praise.
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 11:12:01 am »

Thanks!  I'm quite pleased with it, considering it my 'first' scratchbuild (or rather, near scratchbuild).  So long as it ends up looking as good as or better than my 1960s-era Airfix HMS Ajax (quite a crude model by today's standards) I'll be happy with it.   
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 12:47:36 am »

What we're looking at here is a 1/600 stand-off scale model of the light cruiser Leipzig. 

Very nice, indeed!
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 11:27:18 am »

A little more work on it now....

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The cranes actually came adrift whilst I was trying to finish them (I guess this is what happens when a large part is fixed only by a small surface contact....) so I found a couple of wood tacks, affixed one on each crane and then used a tiny bradawl to make a pilot hole before forcing them home- which has worked pretty well. 

Also the main armament (9 5.9'' guns) has been added.  The turrets still need a little work in terms of painting and filling, but I'm happy with how they've turned out- they are at least identical! 

I think the plan for today will be to finish off the main guns, then do the final pair of deckhouses, which will then leave the AA armament, ships boats (which are going to be some I found in my spares box) and the jackstaffs. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 06:05:17 pm »

Hi James

This is excellent. Ships are not easy subjects as they are often small scale.

By the way - do you have an opinion on 1/600th vs 1/700th?

I'm thinking about building some ships of the September 1940 era and I'm not sure which way to go.

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 10:44:57 am »

1/700th tend to be more readily available.... and there are more spare parts/ detailing kits available I gather.  Certainly 1/700th has a stranglehold on the market, thanks to the likes of Tamiya. 

It is also the case that the 1/700 models available are largely of far more recent vintage than the 1/600 offerings... hence despite being smaller they generally are crisper mouldings and carry much finer detail. 

What is more helpful though is knowing which models are available in each scale- Tamiya do practically the entire Imperial Japanese Navy in 1/700 down to fleet auxiliaries, but foreign navies are represented by only battleships, carriers and the token cruiser or destroyer or two. 

In 1/600 Airfix do/ once did a fairly respectable range of British and German models, everything from battleships to destroyers- but nothing American, French, Italian or Japanese for the WWII era. 

For myself, I chose 1/600 for my scratchbuilds/kitbashes simply because I have 20+ Airfix vessels all to that scale so it was natural to want to build to the same standards.  It also has to be said that comparing the 1/600 Prinz Eugen with the 1/700 Prinz Eugen that the difference in size is.... quite noticeable.  1/600 models have a certain heft or gravitas about them that the 1/700 ones somehow lack. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2011, 01:21:18 pm »

Hi James

Thanks for the Info. Its British and German I'm interested in, so I might start with the Airfix 1/600 range. They still produce some of the ships I'm interested in and I am sure that ebay would help make up the deficit.

I suspect that the biggest gaps will be destroyers and auxilleries. I will try and find time for a little research to cover those. I might even try my hand at resin casting...

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 02:25:52 pm »

Aah, destroyers....

Airfix a few years ago re-introduced their WWII ones... but I haven't seen the set in quite a while.  They did HMS Cossack, HMS Hotspur (which can be converted into various Admiralty-type destroyers of the early '30s), HMS Campbeltown (an old US 'four-piper') and a German 'Narvik Flotilla' type. 

Tamiya do a kit in 1/700 of HMAS Vampire (which is an Admiralty V or W class destroyer of 1917, both classes were still in use in WWII.  Those in the RN were largely converted to convoy escorts, losing a funnel and one or two guns, whilst those seconded to the RAN remained more or less in as-built condition).... some potential for conversion work there.  They also do the Admiralty E-class destroyer, roughly similar to the Airfix Hotspur. 

If you want to do them in 1/600, best bet would probably be to find the Airfix Cossack and Hotspur (nice models, but a bit basic) and use the Tamiya E-class and HMAS Vampire as templates for larger 1/600 scratchbuilds.  Problem is, Tamiya tend to be waterline models whilst the Airfix ones are full-hull.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 06:27:39 pm »

Ah yes - Waterline or full hull?

If the scale were smaller I would opt for waterline, but at 1/600 I think I prefer full hull.

If I was amde of money I would have them as sailing models...

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 11:38:53 pm »

My uncle David was a stoker on HMS Vortigern, a V & W class destroyer. He made many ship models which I remember very much admiring as a wee boy. Sadly I never got to meet him as he died several years before I was born when his ship was sunk by E-boats off of Cromer whilst on convoy duty.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2011, 04:54:21 pm »

After just shy of two months' work at weekends and the odd snatched hour here and there, it gives me great pleasure to announce that I completed the Leipzig this afternoon.  

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I am thrilled, ecstatic even with how well this model turned out... especially considering the only real references I had to go on were the deck plan and profile from a reprint of 'Janes Fighting Ships of WWII' and around 10 photographs.  And to be honest there were points where I felt that this would end up like all of my other grand model making schemes- either in the bin or forgotten on a shelf somewhere.  

Although I say so myself, I think it can give the Airfix Ajax a run for its money- and coincidentally I was recently reading Arthur Ward's history of Airfix and noted that this particular vessel was considered as the subject for a kit.  Maybe I can gull the Airfix obsessives that it got as far as actually being moulded, but never actually put into full production... and that mine is the only known surviving example of the test pieces Cheesy

So what now?  

I have the Airfix Prinz Eugen to build- a simple straight-out-of-the-box job.... which I probably won't chart here as being 'too easy'.  I'm also going through my 30-some-odd strong collection of Airfix warships, rebuilding the weaker models I built in my teens.  A long project that has been ongoing for the last four years, but still leaves me with several destroyers, an aircraft carrier, a battlecruiser and a couple of cruisers to get through.  Also I'm looking at scratchbuilding some LNER (ex-Great Central) railway locomotives in OO scale- an N5, J11 and D10- but as they're going to rely upon being able to find proprietary chassis for a reasonable price they may have to wait a while.  

Let's have a little fun though.  Dependant upon space I've decided which kitbash/scratchbuild I'd like to have a go at next.  All I will say at this point is that there will be less work involved in building the hull, but a lot more in working up the superstructure.  The prototype can be found on page 25 of the reprint of 'Janes Fighting Ships of WWII'.  Cue some headscratching  Cheesy    
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2011, 01:10:41 am »

I think I must be sickening for something. I went to a model railway show and didn't buy anything.

I have been building some basic waterline boats in 1/300th - simple Sealion stuff, transports, armed trawlers, barges etc... All very generic and boxy.

I'll get them primered and post pics.

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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2011, 02:42:00 am »

So what now?  


Well since this is Brass Goggles, may I suggest you build something like HMS Leviathan?
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2011, 03:03:26 pm »

I'm going to have a go at a replica of a 1920s clockwork bathtub battleship (on the men's bathtime thread), just as soon as I get my Hobbies/Bowman replica steam launch 'off the slip'.  Trouble is I fail badly at building boats which will float- they all have the fundamental flaw of letting water in rather than keeping it out.

If that weren't period appropriate I just yesterday received drawings for a Great Central Railway 'Director' class loco- all I need now is the Hornby D49 or Schools or even an old Triang L1 chassis to be able to start on it.  My layout is going to be set in the 1930s- but at that time many Edwardian and even Victorian locomotives were still on top-link duties (look at how the typical British freight locomotive from the 1850s through to the 1940s was an 0-6-0 tender engine, for example).     

I'm also looking at Edwardian dreadnoughts- dependant on space I may add a Third Battle Squadron to my fleet consisting of the Airfix Iron Duke (which is already built), Dreadnought herself and a later 12'' gunner or an early 13.5'' super-dreadnought, such as Orion

No one has guessed yet though which one I will be building next, as I'm pretty sure I will have the space?
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2011, 02:18:04 pm »

The next project is now officially afoot!  (Despite the fact that Prinz Eugen currently consists only of a hull and four gun turrets...) 

I've just bought the Airfix HMS Warspite, which....

.... drum roll.....

I'm going to kitbash into HMS Barham.  Same class of ship, completely different upperworks.  The Airfix Warspite represents that ship after her second 'big repair' of the late 1930s- whereas Barham had only one, and that in the mid-1920s.  So far as I see it at the moment, the work shall involve

-A complete new foremast and bridge structure;
-A complete new funnel;
-Revised secondary armament arrangement and number of guns thereof;
-A more substantial mainmast. 

All being well I shall pick this up in the New Year, hopefully before. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 09:26:37 pm »

Good luck with that and I look forward some pictures...
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 12:54:11 pm »

The model has not yet arrived, but as I already have an Airfix Warspite (built around ten years ago straight out of the box) I spent part of last night getting my head around some of the finer points of the bash. 

On the hull itself the secondary armament needs strengthening (Warspite has 4 6'' on each beam forward- Barham has 6), plus aft some representation must be made of the ports for 4 6'' guns fitted in 1914 but landed shortly afterward (the ports then being plated over).  I haven't yet found out if Barham had a stern walk- so surgery may be required there too. 

The main deck will need some surgery aft (for those pesky gun ports again), and the hangar removed, but can be used more or less in 'as bought' condition.  Gun turrets and main guns can be used as-bought, lowermost superstructure deck too.  I *think* the very lowest level of Warspite's control tower can also be employed, but this will require surgery to cut it away from the three or four upper decks of said tower.  The aft superstructure can be used as-bought, but the mainmast will stay in the box.  It also appears likely that the foremast can be used- as the basis of the mainmast. 

If the above doesn't make sense, here is the Airfix Warspite (not my own, I must confess):

 

And this is the Barham:



And if it still doesn't make sense- watch this space!
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2011, 04:55:10 pm »

James, that is a very interesting choice and sufficiently different from Warspite to make it worthwhile. Do you know which era or campaign you will be modelling yet? It seems to me that some of the changes were significant, as you say, some photos show a stern walkway and some an aircraft catapult on no3 gun turret. The aft mast is a real testament to wireless telegraphy of its day! The deck covers for sun shade shown in your picture would make an excellent detail, but I have no idea how you would model such a thin piece of material - I have enough trouble with 1:35! Look forward to the build.

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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2011, 11:32:07 am »

I'm hoping to model her immediately after her mid-1920s rebuild- with the catapult on the turret.  I have a very good, large and clear photograph of her or Warspite (even the author of the book couldn't tell them apart) in around 1926/27 that shows most of the details, and through sheer serendipity (or, more accuarately, being in the right place at the right time to buy the right book) found a photo of her fitting out in 1914- with no stern walk. 

I've also come to the conclusion that the drawings in Janes are... slightly less than useless, to be polite.  Entire decks that appear on the profile are completely missing from the plan... 
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2011, 11:54:39 am »

If you want super-detail, the original general arrangement and lines plans should be in the Caird library at the national maritime museum.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2011, 04:23:52 pm »

If you want super-detail, the original general arrangement and lines plans should be in the Caird library at the national maritime museum.
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Aah; that's very useful to know!  Generally I try to keep to Airfix standards; simply to maintain a uniform look about my fleet (hence why I went for the stand-off-scale appearance on Leipzig).  I have the greatest respect for people who try to get everything on their models 'exactly right'- personally I'm satisfied if it merely looks so (I adhere to Peter Denny's 18'' rule on that score). 

There's not much doing in the way of more scratchbuilds/ kitbashes at the moment- I work on one model at a time and don't move on until that model is completed- at the moment my project is the Airfix 1/600 Prinz Eugen.  Save to say that she's completed up to main deck level and thus 'off the slip' and fitting out, so to speak, I'll not go into more detail than that.  I may put up a photo or two once she's finished- but as a straight-up kitbuild the level of builder-input is limited in the extreme- and thus not in the spirit I have in mind for the thread. 

On the Barham front- Warspite has arrived and currently sits in my wardrobe anxiously awaiting the scalpel blade. 

I've also decided that, should I have the space, I'm going to attempt scratchbuilds of the Bellerophon-class dreadnought Temeraire and the Orion-class dreadnought Thunderer.  I was sorely, sorely tempted to model HMS Colossus in her post-WWI guise- as a training ship in full Victorian paint scheme- black hull, white upper works and buff funnels and masts- the only dreadnought to carry such a livery- but came to the conclusion that as such she wouldn't go with the rest of the fleet....   

And as for the planned railway locomotives- who knew it would be so difficult to get hold of decent RTR chassis?!? The only one I've found that would be appropriate is 35+ years old and comes with an asking price of £30.... which is for a Triang L1 and would go under a D10 or D11 perfectly.  I'm looking now for two Bachmann J39 chassis- the wheelbase is almost perfect for the J11 and the N5- if I overlook inaccuracies in terms of the number of wheel spokes.  But they appear to be about as rare as hen's teeth....
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2011, 10:50:21 am »

Yesterday I managed to:

-Buy a suitable chassis for one of my proposed locomotives (the N5 0-6-2 tank loco looks set to be go, repeat go!)

- Found a 1/700 scale papercraft HMS Dreadnought for free download on the ether.... which can be found here

From Wikipedia:
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The Bellerophons were near carbon copies of the previous HMS Dreadnought, with the exception of a second tripod mast.


So scale that up to 1/600, build up the hull below the waterline and transfer the parts to plastic rather than card and I have the beginnings of my HMS Temeraire. 

So to outline my 2012 building programme, we currently have the following:

-Airfix Prinz Eugen (currently under construction, anticipated completion January 2012)
-Airfix kitbash HMS Barham (January-March 2012?)
-Scratchbuild HMS Temeraire (March?-May 2012?)
-Scratchbuild LNER N5 (December 2011- Huh 2012?)

That is not to mention my other ideas still looking for critical components- a second dreadnought and two more locos.  If things get slow I'll just continue my Airfix-fleet-rebuilding that has been ongoing for the last five or six years.
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2011, 09:39:09 am »

James,

Loco chassis can be infuriating! At least you've picked locos that will go on standard size motors. I want to make Bury locos - that's a nightmare! And try getting hold of a 2-4-2 for an armoured train!

I look forward to seeing the rest of your projects develop.

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