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« on: September 16, 2010, 11:18:48 pm »

Edit: (Original thread September 16, 2010; Steampunk Mexico Forum banner -added Oct. 1 2014 for aesthetic reasons).  Note: This week I've had to "rescue" a number of photos, since the host original server doesn't exist anymore.



While not a Mexican citizen myself, I do have a long relationship with that country, and in this Bicentennial anniversary of Mexican Independence, I was perusing the aetherweb, curious to see if the Steampunk bug had reached south of the border, so to speak (everything else has, including hip hop, so why not Steampunk?).  As it turns out, I found a new blogspot, dating to June of this year, dedicated to Steampunk in Mexico:

http://mexico-steampunk.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-07-03T13%3A36%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=3

and a corresponding forum recently anounced at the blogspot: http://steampunk.mexico-foro.com/

I realize not many members will have any relationship to that country, so I don't expect a long thread, or much response, but as I have pointed out in other threads, Mexican history can easily be interweaved into Steampunk storylines, most notably surrounding the Mexican American War (1841), and the American Civil War period (1860's), which was not at all disconnected from an important event (the French Intervention and the Second or Maximilian Empire) which marked the final vestige of monarchy in that country (and a very forceful last statement by US President Lincoln and Mexican President Juarez, that European countries should not hold power in the Americas).  On top of that the entire formative period of that country started in 1810 with independence and ended in 1910 with their version of a civil war, hence covering squarely the Victorian Period.

I leave you with a some links to wiki (history), and some images for perusal and inspiration (some pics are great, like Fig. 4 below):

All figures are in the Public Domain and sources from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico unless otherwise noted

Fig. 1  Priest Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla, who literally "rang the bell" of independence at mid-night on the 15th of September 1810
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Miguel_Hidalgo_y_Costilla.jpg

Figs. 2 and 3.  President Benito Juarez and Empereror Maximilian I.  Remarkably, Benito Juarez, a full-blooded Native Meso-American, held a parallel government while the French occupation forces supported the reign of Archduke Ferdinand Maximilian Joseph of Austria, as Emperor Maximilian I. Benito Juarez was supported by the U.S. Govt. headed by President Lincoln, while Maximilian I was supported by the Confederate States (the South).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BenitoJuarez.jpg
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maximilian_of_Mexico_bw.jpg

Fig. 4.  President Porfirio Diaz and his wife at a public outing during the Centennial celebrations.  While heading a Republican Government, his government was wrought with accusations of corruption and favoritism to foreign powers, and injustice for the masses, such that enough pressure triggered the Mexican Revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Porforio_Diaz.jpg

Figs. 5, 6 and 7 (top to bottom) Venustiano Carranza, Emiliano Zapata and Francisco "Pancho" Villa.  Main characters of the Revolution (Civil War) of 1910
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CarranzaPostcard.jpg
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Villa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pancho_villa_horseback.jpg
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Zapata
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emiliano_Zapata,_1914.jpg

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2010, 11:42:50 pm »

This thread would probably overlap with your desires just enough to maybe give you an idea or two.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2010, 11:47:57 pm »

i was wondering what to do with that old sombrero...

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 11:53:34 pm »

i was wondering what to do with that old sombrero...

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Put some goggles on it, of course. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 02:23:18 am »

Talking about fashion, look at this compendium of folkloric female dress (regional breakdown by state);

http://listas.20minutos.es/lista/el-mejor-traje-tipico-de-mexico-41611/

Some of the female folkloric fashions are clearly Native Mesoamerican, but also note some of the more western-style looking dresses for women.  Spanish, obviously but not entirely.

Those "western" versions mostly date to the 19 th century, and show an influence of Victorian fashion, particularly in the northern states like Aguascalientes, Nuevo Leon, and Chihuahua.

The same fashions are seen in folkloric dances, now popular in dance circles in the US.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 05:15:59 am »

For some years now, I have thought that Venustiano Carranza should be viewed as a kind of honorary steampunk figure, on the sole basis of having a name like "Venustiano Carranza." If I were somehow to build a steam-engined super-car, this would probably end up being the marque.
Perhaps we should wrangle in that Mexican businessman, whose name eludes me at present, who, a few years back, not only built himself a working rocketbelt/jetpack, but if memory serves, even built his own apparatus for redistilling mid-grade industrial hydrogen peroxide (around 60 or 70 percent) into 90% rocket-grade propellant. From the photos, he is one hell of a good engineering designer and mechanic, to say nothing of having some major brass cojones.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 05:41:00 am »

For some years now, I have thought that Venustiano Carranza should be viewed as a kind of honorary steampunk figure, on the sole basis of having a name like "Venustiano Carranza."

 ... Perhaps we should wrangle in that Mexican businessman ... if memory serves, even built his own apparatus for redistilling mid-grade industrial hydrogen peroxide ... he is one hell of a good engineering designer and mechanic, to say nothing of having some major brass cojones.


Ha, ha, ha, ha! ROFL  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Yeah! The names.  When you were poor in Mexico, like born to a farmers' family, for example, it was customary for monks and friars to give ""Spanisized" Roman names to the newborn (the practice began centuries earlier with the downright elimination of Native names, and in general, Native culture during the Conquest).  The other alternative, were of course, Biblical names, but those names don't stand out so much (as they are the traditional John, Mary, Jesus, Peter, Paul, etc.).

The end result is that traditional rural names in Mexico are downright weird, and they come out often in characters of the Mexican revolution.  Among the "olde tyme" names for men that catch my sight are (see http://www.cachis.com/nombres/hombre.html ) Agripino, Aniceto, Aurelio, Bacilio, Bonifacio, Carmelo, Claudio, Crespin, Cornelio, Delfino,  Eulalio, Faustino, Florentino, Herculano, Juventino, Lauriano, Seferino,  etc. etc. etc.  You get the idea! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So yes!  Mexican Steampunk names galore!  Grin  Venustiano is about as Steampunk as you can get!

EDIT: Not bad!  Only 6 posts on the subject, and we already have male, and female Steampunk fashions, and even Mexican Steampunk names...
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 11:38:54 pm »

I just watched the movie Carmen last night. VERY SP. It's a foreign operatic flick. Check it out if you can...
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 12:14:55 am »

I happen to be Chicano... so I'm obligated to follow this thread. Grin

My last name is something I'm rather proud of, and as some have noticed, I use it here on the forum.  My first name, however, is Peter - a biblical classic.  Had my father won the debate with my mother as she was in labor, it would have been Pedro instead, and that would have made me officially the third in the series of Pedros...

For decidedly different reasons, I've opted for an alternative moniker both in the band and elsewhere.  I could have gone with a Spanish-modified name of Roman origin, but opted to go directly to the "source" instead for a stage name. Wink

And now, for my contribution to this thread: Victor Ochoa and Juan Lozano.

Ochoa was a Mexican Revolutionary who tried to overthrow President Porfirio Diaz in the 1890s and at one point at a $50,000 price on his head, dead or alive!  But what makes him truly special is his record as an inventor.  He was fascinated with airships and the prospects of human flight, and developed his own variation of an airplane in 1904 (sometimes known as an Ochoa Plane).  He also started the International Airship Company in New Jersey, patented a magnetic brake design for streetcars (which was sold to the American Brake Co. in Seattle in 1907), and made other significant improvements to devices such as reversible motors, and dynamos operated by windmills to generate electricity.

Lozano is a modern figure, but he is the man Mr. Boltneck is referring to.  His love for jetpacks led him to inventing his own take on them, resulting in the Rocket Belt:

http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-space/article/2006-02/ready-takeoff

How's THAT for Mexican steampunk... and even dieselpunk? Wink
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 12:34:22 am »

Let us not forget the "Mexican Lindbergh," Emilio Carranza, great-nephew of President Venustiano Carranza of Mexico and the nephew of famed Mexican aviator Alberto Salinas Carranza.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 08:50:19 am »

Let us not forget the "Mexican Lindbergh," Emilio Carranza, great-nephew of President Venustiano Carranza of Mexico and the nephew of famed Mexican aviator Alberto Salinas Carranza.


That really gives me a lot of ideas (both Steampunk and Dieselpunk).  Although to be perfectly honest the second one is somewhat cheating for me.  I was raised by my grandfather, himself born in the 1920's and out of college by 1940.  I kind of grew up hearing about the "diesel era"in Mexico on a daily basis.  I have an unfair advantage  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 09:29:28 am »

As a Mexican I just have to poke my nose in here. I wouldn't call myself steampunk, but I write steampunk.

Mexico has a lot of historical material that can be grabbed from for inspiration. My father actually had a few sabres and rifles from the mid 1800's until he sold them to a museum. There is also much architecture to enjoy all around Mexico City and the rest of the republic:
The central post office: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8kSdZBJchg8/TAIBkS5ahdI/AAAAAAAAABs/VXNGg1sekd0/s1600/CORREOS+DE+MEXICO.jpg
Bellas Artes: http://fin-de-semana.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/9e773.jpg
http://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/world/images/mex_mexico_palacio_6.jpg
and so on...

As for:
i was wondering what to do with that old sombrero...


Get the rest of the gear: http://www.studiolum.com/wang/mexican-revolution-mexico-revolucion-en-el-sur-1912-550.jpg
50% of the outfit is bullets anyway ^^
Or go for this more elegant option
http://www.tienda.elcharroweb.com/292-349-large/traje-charro-doble.jpg
http://tienda.elcharroweb.com/287-343-large/traje-charro-para-caballero-hilo-de-plata.jpg
http://www.tienda.elcharroweb.com/10-50-large/traje-charro-para-cabalero-bordado-en-gamuza.jpg
And for the ladies
http://www.elmanana.com.mx/upload/foto/6/0/4/CHARRO.jpg

The best part is that among the "charros" here in mexico, people still dress like that.
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2010, 09:10:23 pm »

As a Mexican I just have to poke my nose in here. I wouldn't call myself steampunk, but I write steampunk....

Get the rest of the gear: http://www.studiolum.com/wang/mexican-revolution-mexico-revolucion-en-el-sur-1912-550.jpg
50% of the outfit is bullets anyway ^^


Mucho Gusto Sr. Wolfie (o lo pronuncia Vulfi?) Cheesy  Aqui le tengo un Regular del Norte...

Here's my take on Steampunk Mexican Revolutionary Getup (Circa 1910) for a Villista regular:
"Don Faustino Prepares to Engage the Enemy Forces"  by Yours Truly.  Grin



EDIT:  As an aside: I think this is known by some *at least some people* here in the USA, but George Lucas' concept for Princess Leia's hairstyle and dress is inspired by the look of the the women who would often accompany the farmer/revolutionary conscripts' into battle by riding the steam locomotives.

Native Meso-American hairstyles for women often included long braids with coloured ribbons.  The women would roll the braids in the now infamous "Cinnamon Roll" hairstyle, that George Lucas picked!  The bullets were transformed to another leather accessory in Leia's costume, if I remember well ... Princess Leia is a Mexican Revolutionary woman! Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 02:46:59 am »

Princess Leia's hairstyle and dress is inspired by the look of the the women who would often accompany the farmer/revolutionary conscripts' into battle by riding the steam locomotives...


Huh, didn't know that, and I studied film in Mexico! I tip my sombrero to you sir.

And like Leia, they weren't just along for the ride Tongue as the picture below clearly states:
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t232/lorenasantana/img081.jpg

cook, clean, wash the uniforms, feed the kids, carry the extra ammo and rifles AND defend the camp. Holy sh*t those were some tough ladies. Kinda' makes you feel they have every right to PMS once in a while...
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2010, 03:08:28 am »

By the way, our presidents have sported some seriously wicked facial hair.

Seriously, how badass can a beard be?
Apart from the beard, this guys name is pretty cool too: Rómulo Díaz De La Vega

Ignacio Comonfort, another good name.

This mustache is the absolute manifestation of dictatorship Tongue Kicked out the french, eliminated political opposition, held power for 30 years and ironically, retired in Paris.

Venustiano Carranza, the man with the name!
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2010, 04:54:32 am »

Just to keep things in perspective; the world's first aerial dogfight took place over Mexico during the revolution (before WWI;mainly 6-shooters and rifles aboard ultralights). Not entirely steampunk, but it would only be a short step to it.

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2010, 04:22:16 pm »

Let us not forget Don Diego de la Vega.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2010, 05:45:53 pm »

By the way, our presidents have sported some seriously wicked facial hair.
...Seriously, how badass can a beard be?


Kind of reminds me of an old Mexican proverb:

"Cuando veas las barbas de tu vecino arder, pon las tuyas a remojar"

Literally translated to:

"When you see your neighbour's beard burn, soak yours in water"

Which essentially means "get ready, don't get caught unprepared"

This guy didn't soak his in time and,  in spite of being on the winning side the revolution, he was assassinated anyway near the end of his presidential term Grin

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CarranzaPostcard.jpg
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2010, 06:47:36 pm »

Dear ladies and Gentlemen, my apologies for the double post; I found an interesting video of footage which survived from the revolutionary period; steam locomotives take center stage Grin  Presumably, this compilation shows fragments from some event during which the warring factions reached an agreement near the end of the war.  You can see the different styles of dress between the middle class and farmers who comprised the armed forces  EDIT:  on second reflection, the footage seems to show President Francisco I. Madero, who served during the revolution after deposing Porfirio Diaz -the one with the prodigious moustache and no beard 4 posts above Cheesy  Madero was assasinated during the conflict at age 39 -two years younger than I am...)

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_I._Madero


From AkiMahavirajina's Channel in You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AkiMahaviraJina
Imágenes de la Revolución Mexicana


EDIT:  Ah yes!  And a photo I stumbled across from a set of photos related to the Bicentennial Celebrations that will melt your heart: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisfurphy/4885501241/#in/pool-1051751@N23
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2010, 11:00:26 pm »

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen:

Just bumping this thread on account that at the Mexican Steampunk forum someone posted this magnificent movie trailer.  The trailer advertises a historically-based fictional drama ("El Atentado" / "The [Assassination] Attempt") surrounding the last president prior to the Mexican Revolution.  The movie has been criticized on content, but the cinematography, the costumes and uniforms regarding Victorian/Edwardian-Era Mexico are nothing short of exquisite.  Really worth a look.

From the channel of AlebrijeCineyVideo in YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AlebrijeCineyVideo

El Atentado (Trailer oficial Alta resolución)

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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2011, 07:25:21 pm »

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen:

Just reviving this old thread to notify all of whom may be interested about the FIRST STEAMPUNK MEETING in the country of MEXICO, which  will happen this 12th of March at 3:00 PM Local Time in Mexico City's Monument to the (Mexican) Revolution.  You can find more details here:

http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,29562.msg644081.html

The initial meeting  place is only a few blocks away from "The Palace of Fine Arts" shown below, and the Central Post Office ("Palace of Mails" - literally translated  Cheesy), so a phenomenally steamy stroll awaits those planning to attend the event in full Victorian / Steamy regalia.  Cheesy

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2011, 03:51:32 pm »

I've read a not safe for work alternate history story that ha the United States, Louisianna Empire, Oklahoma Empire, and the Atlan Empire on the North America Continent.
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2011, 09:28:41 pm »

Ladies and Gentlemen:

I'm writing this message just to bring the news from our non-English speaking community....

Steampunk in Mexico is growing at an accelerated "breakneck" rate. There is no other way to state it.  The Steampunk Mexico forum alone ( http://steampunk.mexico-foro.com ) hit 132 members since last September!  Most notably at least one member of Vernian Process, Mr. Janus Zarate, has joined the forum!

In honour of the anniversary of Thomas Savery's unveiling of the steam engine at the Royal Society of London in 1699, the members of this group planned a 4th meeting on the 14th of June; however, due to fortuitous circumstances, an opportunity arose for a few days later, to attend a major national event (read on below...), and turn this into a nearly week long Steampunk extravaganza!  

Simultaneously, other parallel Steampunk friendly virtual venues arose, like:

El Investigador, a monthly webzine dedicated to retrofuturism, and anachronisms in general, and run by a blog group called "Mercenarios de DIOS"  ( http://mercenariosddios.blogspot.com ).  They just released Magazine No. 3 for this month of May.  I strongly recommend the perusage of this excellent publication.

On another note, recent events (in less than 6 months, no less) made me aware of the major event I alluded to above:

Cronopia ( http://www.comagon.org/cronopia.html ), is described by the organizers, as "not a convention, but a general meeting and a festival" which encompasses literature, theatrical plays, workshops, graphic arts, comics and cosplay, among many other art facets.  The event will take place in the "artisan Mecca" of the world, the City of Guadalajara this 17th -19 of June.  The event looks rather large, sponsored by many arts-oriented institutions, and more importantly sports a heavy Steampunk flavour!  The venue will be the historic Ex-Convento Del Carmen (formerly the Carmen convent) which currently is used as an arts and graphical arts gallery.  This year's topic of discussion is mystery and horror and anything  of a"dark" literary nature.

The mascots of the event are described as "beings who inhabit floating cities, and whip around in their jet packs; all technology, of course powered by steam.  I will invite an organizer or a participant of this event to post further details in this thread.


"Cassie Minute" by Zoor at Deviantart.com.  Image released with permission from the author.

There is also a related facebook page for this event:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=119506364794787

"Tim" by Zoor at Deviantart.com.  Image released with permission from the author.

A similar -and related- event by the name of Comagon will take place later this year in September 10-11 ( http://www.comagon.org/index.html ).

and this concludes this aetheric news segment relating to Steampunk in Mexico!

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Ladies and Gentlemen:

Just writing news from the Mexican Steampunk forum ( http://steampunk.mexico-foro.com/ ).  Steampunk Mexico will transmit its first webcast, The Steampunk Army (Shoutcast).  Initially, all transmission will be in Spanish, but stay tuned for future developments as they integrate themselves to the global Steampunk community...

First transmission is today, Thursday 24th of March at 10:00 PM Central Standard Time (Friday 3:00 AM GMT).  Still very humble in its beginnings, it marks the second milestone for that forum just in this month!

The radio station is also accessible through this page:
http://steampunkarmy.listen2myradio.com/
EDIT: Due to unforeseen circumstances, a new server was chosen:
http://www.spreaker.com/user/steampunkarmy

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March 28, 2011:

NEWSFLASH AND CHANGES TO PROGRAMME:

Tomorrow, on March 29 at 10:00 PM CST ( 3:00 GMT), a second test will be attempted, as technical difficulties stymied the first transmission of Steampunk Army.  Stay tuned for further developments!

March 29, 2011
Due to unforeseen circumstances, a new server has been chosen for the transmissions, and the first successful transmission test was carried out today as scheduled at this link:
http://www.spreaker.com/show/mi_primera_transmision_118_2
The transmission is available for your perusal any time afterward

The new URL for Steampunk Army will be:
http://www.spreaker.com/user/steampunkarmy
 
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2011, 06:57:24 am »

As half a bean, I'd like to have some input as well....it's not much though...but I was just looking at this woman's outfit yesterday and thought how Latina it looked.

http://steampunkthreads.com/Merchant5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=SPREC110277-90649&Category_Code=SALE

Me likey.

Now I gots ta look into my other half and see if there's any steampunk for that side.
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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2011, 02:39:24 am »

As half a bean, I'd like to have some input as well....it's not much though...but I was just looking at this woman's outfit yesterday and thought how Latina it looked.

http://steampunkthreads.com/Merchant5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=SPREC110277-90649&Category_Code=SALE

Me likey.

Now I gots ta look into my other half and see if there's any steampunk for that side.


I sorry for the late response,  I was looking forever for a particular picture commenting on your link, and to be perfectly honest, when I never found it I forgot all about it for a long time.  My apologies, my lady.

There is a fair amount of crossover between Victorian and Spanish fashion during the very late 20th. C and early 20th.C.  I was looking for a particular photo in Deviant Art or Model Mayhem that I saw a long time ago, but I could never, ever find that picture again.

We'll get more pictures from actual Mexican Steampunks, soon *I hope* after the "Cronopia" convention this weekend.  It looks very promising, and the Mexican forum attendees will be in full regalia in front of hundreds of people, so something photo-wise may come from that!

Cheers,
J. Wilhelm
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