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« Reply #150 on: August 13, 2010, 12:49:56 pm »

Doesn’t anyone get bored of the same old discussions? 

Good Lord, no.

Constant harping on the same trivial arguments is what we geeks do on teh Interwebs.  It is traditional!
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« Reply #151 on: August 13, 2010, 01:02:04 pm »

Doesn’t anyone get bored of the same old discussions? 

Good Lord, no.

Constant harping on the same trivial arguments is what we geeks do on teh Interwebs.  It is traditional!

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« Reply #152 on: August 13, 2010, 01:16:45 pm »

I vote for 'Facta, Non Verba!'. http://rlv.zcache.com/deeds_not_words_mls_tshirt-p235498244869133284qd00_400.jpg  It's a builder thing I guess. markf
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« Reply #153 on: August 13, 2010, 01:17:07 pm »

Doesn’t anyone get bored of the same old discussions? 


Good Lord, no.

Constant harping on the same trivial arguments is what we geeks do on teh Interwebs.  It is traditional!


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« Reply #154 on: August 13, 2010, 01:18:33 pm »

I vote for 'Facta, Non Verba!', aka, http://rlv.zcache.com/deeds_not_words_mls_tshirt-p235498244869133284qd00_400.jpg It's a builder thing I guess. markf

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« Reply #155 on: August 13, 2010, 01:19:47 pm »

Ah, thanks, I was just fixing the link when I mucked it up 2 more times.  markf
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« Reply #156 on: August 13, 2010, 03:47:06 pm »

Doesn’t anyone get bored of the same old discussions?  

What? You mean forgoing the pure joy of pressing home an over laboured point, which is held dear to ones heart despite ample proof that it is both flawed and argumentative? Never, sir. Human intellectualism is designed to be revelled in and used to bolster the mind against historical inadequacies. As such it stands as an ardent defender of personal ego, with the welcome side effect of spurring the quest to further ones knowledge base. A forum is no place to acquire pure knowledge, it does however fire inquiry whilst empowering catharsis. Worthy goals in of themselves. So no sir, I never bore of the search for self worth which most forums apply provide in cycles of repetitive conversational pleasure.
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« Reply #157 on: August 13, 2010, 11:16:23 pm »

It is not like we are discussing whether something is or is not purple or is or is not a duck. 

But if something weighs as much as a duck...then...it must be...steampunk?  No wait, A WITCH!!!

There's no cut and dry answer because this is fictional.  If we were to discuss what is/isn't an elf, we would have the same issues based on where we decide to derive our lore and what our own imagination decides is/isn't an elf.  It is all up to interpretation. 

The one thing I've loved about this thread from post 1, is that we all share our viewpoints which ultimately helps to strengthen our own ideas about what steampunk means to us.  Your view may not coincide with mine, but it does give me another way to look at the situation as a whole, which may lead me to a greater understanding and appreciation of the genre and community at large.
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« Reply #158 on: August 14, 2010, 09:19:49 pm »

First, a rebuttal:
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For myself, I'd say mass production is my anti-definition. That's I think what people are seeing in the items mentioned like hoodies and squeezy cheese, and popstars and their music. A made thing should have it's own personality. It's own flaws, material and purpose. Once you mass produce something, and that whatever is lost, the things become little more than currency*, and owning those things becomes little more than materialistic. What is or isn't Steampunk in terms of items, is a question of attitude and viewpoint.
*Contra-wise, currency should never be given individuality or personality as it then becomes an artefact with a greed trigger, and causes it's owners (and covetors) to start muttering 'my precious' and suchlike. Look at all the real-world legends and stories of cursed gold and bloody diamonds. Currency should always be metaphorically 'faceless'.

I'd like this thread to move away from 'the argument' and become a challenge game. Naming things, ie. aerosol dairy products, that you personally can't imagine as steamed, and inviting people to prove it can be. I've been trying to come up with a list, but I keep thinking ways to steam them too. Oh well, here goes: Try...
Icebergs, concrete 60's made office blocks, cabbage, mousemats.

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« Reply #159 on: August 15, 2010, 01:21:58 am »


Icebergs,



Icebers powered by min Nautilus submarines hunting steam ships in the North Atlantic?

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concrete 60's made office blocks


The romans used brick cladding on top of concrete for the coliseum

How about a Gaudi facelift?

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cabbage.


Shi or sauerkraut?  Not steampunk per se but could be part of a steampunk theme meal for east European peasant type characters

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mousemats.


A sheet of gutta percha fixed to a supporting board by brass strips and copper rivets?

Or a mat made of papier mache lacquered with a suitable gilt/painted motif?

Or an embossed leather mouse mat similar to the leather writing mats?
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« Reply #160 on: August 15, 2010, 09:10:49 am »

*looks at thread title*

Really? Seven pages, and nobody has cracked a "your mom" comment yet? Sheesh!
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« Reply #161 on: August 16, 2010, 03:38:31 am »

*looks at thread title*

Really? Seven pages, and nobody has cracked a "your mom" comment yet? Sheesh!

Maybe that's because she is? Tongue
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« Reply #162 on: August 16, 2010, 04:26:34 am »

I probably should read more than two pages of this thread before posting...but...I got bored with all the giant posts.

Sometimes I feel like im not a steampunk because I dont have steampunk clothes.
I like the more steamPUNK and post-apocalyptic side of steampunk. The reasoning for such is that everywhere I look steampunk seems to be victorian based...
I always think of steampunk to be victorian era TECHNOLOGY based...and then you throw your own style into it.

Victorian dress is cool...but it doesent appeal to me personally all that much...does that make me not steampunk?

I would be the person who adds a steampunk flair to a essentially punk or sci-fi costume.
An awesome looking future-punk trenchcoat..modded to be steampunk.

Thats what I thought steampunk was anyways. Modding and inventing things. Getting your hands dirty.

So...anything mass produced in a factory probably isnt very steampunk. But take that object apart and make it something new...and it is.
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« Reply #163 on: August 16, 2010, 04:56:17 am »

I think it'd be safe to say that Dragon Ball Z isn't steampunk. Nor is autotuning, or the "It's A Small World" ride at the Disney parks. xD

Actually, I think pretty much anything could be turned steampunk if you tried hard enough, except for certain debauched concepts of contemporary society (such as autotuning, "crunk," ghetto/gangsta, some other stuff...) that would not have seen the light of day had a Victorian mindset continued until now. Although the idea of a steampunk DBZ alternate-universe really, really hurts my brain.  Lips sealed
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« Reply #164 on: August 16, 2010, 02:58:34 pm »

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« Reply #165 on: August 16, 2010, 05:03:29 pm »

basicly any of the dangerous teck of our modern world. And as a matter of corse the short-sightedness that go along with it.
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« Reply #166 on: August 16, 2010, 10:33:00 pm »

I think it'd be safe to say that Dragon Ball Z isn't steampunk. Nor is autotuning, or the "It's A Small World" ride at the Disney parks. xD

Actually, I think pretty much anything could be turned steampunk if you tried hard enough, except for certain debauched concepts of contemporary society (such as autotuning, "crunk," ghetto/gangsta, some other stuff...) that would not have seen the light of day had a Victorian mindset continued until now. Although the idea of a steampunk DBZ alternate-universe really, really hurts my brain.  Lips sealed

laughing quite hard at the Dragon Ball Z steampunked headache! and yes I agree totally with you that pretty much anything can be steampunked - but I dont think you actaully have to try that hard Wink
Of course the factor to remember here is that we seem to work within a Victorian timeframe or ethic supposedly to derive the nature of steampunk and therefore it's development as to what isn't or by converse is steampunk.

So Dragonball Z, Naruto, Pokemon etc - well they are Japanese derived, as are most of the anime/manga based type cartoons, so entirely possible that they might have still existed given Japan's mindset, timeline, development and attitudes were not those of a western victorian age!
So in a steampunked future there might really be that alternate universe - but as you say - Owww!
Wild Wild West steampunk is slightly differently derived as the American society was slightly different etc.

So there's something to throw into the mix when we work on what Isnt steampunk - how much of this argument is based solely on a British development theme of Victorian given thats the framework of our great steampunk forefathers?
Add to this the rather romantasized image of what 'Victorian' is, was or would be and that's where perhaps a lot of our problems come into what we see as steampunk or the development thereof.

The majority idea and ideal seems to be based on a very upper echelon social construct, for me this is somewhat evidenced by the idea that Gangsta/ghetto wouldn't exist because of a Victorian Mindset - and yet the reality for many of the Victorian era in Great Britain was one of overcrowding, social impoverishment, hardship, disease and child labour - many of the things that can be said to have led in the US to the development of the Ghetto/Gangsta movements we witness today.
So can it be steampunked - yes I do indeed think so, and in a very victorian way too  Wink

However having said this I do concede there are somethings that perhaps are best not steampunked - if only for the good of ones mental health and to stave off the profits of the pharmaceutical industries  Wink
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« Reply #167 on: August 23, 2010, 11:16:32 pm »

I'm stuck with my waltzburg drifting slowly round in my head.

Theres a large glass sided cylindrical structure with living quarters inside. Around the outside, an extensive metal fillament structure siphons heat from the surrounding water turning the whole thing into an artificial iceberg. The whole thing is powered by lilypad-like solar cells drifting out behind or in-front, depending on whether the current would pull them. The living quarters would be protected from any but the worst weather by sheer bulk of ice. One of the levels would be a huge ballroom with panoramic windows looking out through planes of clear ice (melting/quick re-freezing).

It's possible that this is a survival habitat in a world where the air and water have been contaminated with something (bacteria or algae?), and the freezing processes is also used as a purification process, and they sell fresh water, as ice, to other types of settlement.

I want to do one of those blow-up diagrams, or just a pretty picture of it, but in my head it's all delicate watercolours which I can't do.
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« Reply #168 on: August 23, 2010, 11:28:44 pm »

Which question are we attempting to answer here:

What isn't Steampunk technology?
What isn't Steampunk genre?
What isn't Steampunk design?
or
What isn't part of the Steampunk look?

For me I'm most interested in the first two.
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« Reply #169 on: August 24, 2010, 12:34:01 am »

basicly any of the dangerous teck of our modern world. And as a matter of corse the short-sightedness that go along with it.

This sort of thinking scares me.
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« Reply #170 on: August 24, 2010, 12:46:31 am »

Anything *can* be steampunk, if they are modded to fit the aesthetic...

I would have to say that condoms...are not steampunk.
I wish my parents were steampunk so I could use this argument whenever I have to tell them I got my girlfriend pregnant...but they are not steampunk, so it wont work...

P.S I didnt actually get my girl pregnant...
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« Reply #171 on: August 24, 2010, 01:28:51 am »

To realy define what isn't steam punk you have to define what is

There's already been several threads which have attempted that - with no general accord.

Anything *can* be steampunk, if they are modded to fit the aesthetic...

I agree, pneumatic drills Could be steampunk - and so could Kenwood Chefs if suitably modded

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I would have to say that condoms...are not steampunk.

Of course they are, you have an... erm.. problem., you apply ingenuity using the materials you have to hand and suddenly a sausage skin becomes a prophylactic   

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I wish my parents were steampunk so I could use this argument whenever I have to tell them I got my girlfriend pregnant...but they are not steampunk, so it wont work...

P.S I didnt actually get my girl pregnant...

I had an experience when younger - my mother found my wallet with a "packet of three" with only one in it and took it to my dad

Mam: " I don't want some father coming to say he's got her pregnant"
Dad: "If he's been using them then he won't"

In the end I got the wallet (and contents) back - but with a severe tutting


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« Reply #172 on: August 24, 2010, 01:59:40 am »

I dont have a wallet...or the "contents" aforementioned. A matter of preference I suppose...

I think that the most un-steampunk thing would have to be a factory itself. The source of mass-production...
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« Reply #174 on: August 24, 2010, 03:04:32 am »

The factory was one of the greatest Victorian inventions that allowed the industrial revolution to exist.  Moving away from the cottage industry meant that people would specialise on one task rather than doing all tasks, you only make one part of the whole and not Every part of it.  This meant that you got very quick at the bit that you were doing.  All the items were still hand made, just hand made in a factory.

Adding in water/steam power was a bonus as well.  You could then get machines to do some of the stuff and it all stopped being hand made.
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