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« on: November 22, 2009, 10:54:51 PM » |
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What does everyone think of a 1940's/50's Nuclearpunk style? Steampunk - Brass Dieselpunk - Steel Nuclearpunk - Aluminium/Carbon?? I am in the process of making a metal bracer with a personal nuclear reactor (not functioning yet  ) and will post pics in due course. What are your thoughts?? |
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patron_vectras
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 11:04:32 PM » |
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Nuclearpunk is a word my mind has been tossing about lately...
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In my personal thoughts, Nuclearpunk is complete fiction and not simply an anachronism. The computer resources to explore nuclear chemistry and applications could not be developed without passing through cyberpunk- and then it would get stuck there. What does the Nebuchadnezzar II (from The Matrix) have? I just realized that I forgot to bring my copy with me from home, but I think it had a fusion core.
The fears associated with radioactive powerplants have not been mitigated or overcome yet, and nobody can say how such will come to pass. Uncertainty and fear are something of a general bias for Cyberpunk storytelling.
Nuclearpunk = Cyberpunk.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 11:16:23 PM » |
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People have been talking about Atomicpunk before, like in the game Fallout 3. Personally I don´t think the timeperiod deserves another label, not enough of a difference between that and the previous one.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 11:58:30 PM » |
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I am in the process of making a metal bracer with a personal nuclear reactor (not functioning yet ) and will post pics in due course. What are your thoughts?? For personal use - and especially if the intent is to wear the device - one might be better off employing an atomic battery of the sort that was pioneered by Henry Gwyn
Jeffreys Moseley, back in 1913. These are non-thermal devices, unlike the hot pile-driven steam kettles we find in power plants and submarines, and they are rather more portable than their pressure-jacketed counterparts. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 12:11:50 AM » |
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Good point, I forgot about Cyberpunk. It's probably playing Fallout 3 quite a lot that put the idea in my head. Even if I don't couple my bracer with a outfit, it should still look good for every day use  . |
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 12:55:41 AM » |
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Nuclear and punk? Sounds like an innappriate fusion to me.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 01:01:51 AM » |
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Iv herd the term Junkpunk applied to the Fallout settings. Check some of the books and novels written for Deadlands:Hell on Earth roleplaying game. Its like the Weird West setting with some modern/near future tech.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 01:04:52 AM » |
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Good point, I forgot about Cyberpunk. It's probably playing Fallout 3 quite a lot that put the idea in my head. Even if I don't couple my bracer with a outfit, it should still look good for every day use . The background for the Fallout series (starting with the first Fallout game) would actually be a rather good place to start looking at the idea of 'Atomic/NuclearPunk'. When creating the background they originally wanted to think of it as a 'What if' the 1950s style had not changed, but technology had advanced. So the older style cars became hovercars but with the same sort of body as cars of the 1950s, the 'futuristic' robot artwork of the 50s/60s became the in-game models for the robots and so on. Whilst the setting is post-apocalyptic, it has a lot that could be used as inspiration for Atomic/Nuclear Punk. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 01:27:03 AM » |
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Nuclearpunk is a word my mind has been tossing about lately...
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In my personal thoughts, Nuclearpunk is complete fiction and not simply an anachronism.
Wait a minute, aren't some versions of Captain Nemo's Nautilus powered with something like a nuclear sub? |
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 01:34:30 AM » |
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I hate to say this, but do we really need another "punk" genre? It seems to me like it's perfectly possible to go dividing and sub-dividing forever, and i'm not at all sure thats a good thing. Could it be considered a form of late dieselpunk/early cyberpunk, or even just plain 50's sci-fi, rather than becoming a seperate thing in it's own right?
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 03:08:01 AM » |
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I've got to agree with Matthias. I don't much like the "-punk" in steampunk never mind people adding it to every possible time period, method of power, or pretty much anything to try and make something somehow independent and "edgier."
Biopunk is just a facet of cyberpunk, clockpunk is just part of steampunk, I guess you could say atomicpunk was within dieselpunk as they often cover very similar aspects from the 20s-50s.
Apparently atomicpunk is also one of the "-punk" terms taken up by the GURPS roleplaying game Steampunk to describe anachronistic technologies and settings, also including stonepunk, bronzepunk, sandalpunk, candlepunk, transistorpunk.
Really as words they mean nothing me to at all with the exception of Cyberpunk, and even that I could probably just call Dystopian Scifi and be happy.
Even at this early stage I'm sick of the craze.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 09:50:41 AM » |
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One problem I have is when I'm unable to tell if a writer is being tongue in cheek about it...a number of the [ ]-punks kicking about have been as a result of authors saying their book isn't genre x but actually y-punk or whatever, if it's a joke that's fine, if they are just pulling the same as the "cool" kids and trying to make themselves look new and different that's less appealing.  Steam Fantasy is really my term of choice over steampunk, mostly because it can be applied to any aspect of the subject via it's various dictionary definitions."An ingenious or fanciful thought, design, or invention. The forming of mental images, esp. wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing." And then for me it also particularly works from the bookshop definition of Fantasy as the "works dealing with supernatural or unnatural events or characters" as I love steam and clockwork powered creations in Fantasy worlds. If I were to boil it all down it's just Fantasy or Scifi to me. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2009, 04:52:00 PM » |
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As far i know, what you call nuclearpunk is already known as ATOMICpunk. Comicly enought, i was actually presently wondering if I coined the term long ago in a french sci-fi forum in 2000-2001. At the time, i was asking myself if by any mean if historical punk genre goe at full rotation and reach our present day. 8-9 years later, i see the term atomicpunk currently used, and i wonder if i'm the one who should reclaim royalty.
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2009, 05:44:00 PM » |
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I was going to say what Chicar said: the word "Atomicpunk" has actually been used as a tongue-in-the-cheek for some time. I'm not crazy about it though: most of what's called "Atomicpunk" can well be labelled as "Dieselpunk" so no need for more punk-ness, I say. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2009, 06:40:29 PM » |
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I've got to agree with Matthias. I don't much like the "-punk" in steampunk never mind people adding it to every possible time period, method of power, or pretty much anything to try and make something somehow independent and "edgier."
Biopunk is just a facet of cyberpunk, clockpunk is just part of steampunk, I guess you could say atomicpunk was within dieselpunk as they often cover very similar aspects from the 20s-50s.
I was thinking much the same thing. The "punk" aspect really isn't as important as some make it out to be, and sometimes people break the genres up into too many subgenres. Unless there's an easily distinguishable difference between the aesthetics of two styles, there's really no point in making a new subgenre. But I would also argue that atomicpunk or nuclearpunk is different enough to be a viable subgenre. Stuff like Sky Captain is futuristic enough and clean enough so that dieselpunk really doesn't fit, but not nearly futuristic or dark enough to qualify as cyberpunk. With the rayguns and nuclear rockets and such, I think atomicpunk works just fine. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2009, 07:55:42 PM » |
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What about windturbinepunk?.....or something  |
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2009, 08:04:46 PM » |
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What about windturbinepunk?.....or something We'll be having Horsedrawncarriagepunk next. I agree that we need to stop putting 'punk' at the end of everything as even 'Steampunk' has nothing to do with 'punk' as I know it. But 'Steampunk' is a well established title now there's no need for any more. Actually 'SteamMod' might've been a better name.....Ok. Let's not go there. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2009, 09:57:11 PM » |
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Actually 'SteamMod' might've been a better name.....Ok. Let's not go there.
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2009, 10:25:28 PM » |
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Hmmm, WindmillPunk...
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2009, 10:28:50 PM » |
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Steam> diesel> atom> cyber.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2009, 10:42:26 PM » |
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Hmmm, WindmillPunk...
Why do I like the idea of that? |
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2009, 10:45:54 PM » |
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Hmmm, WindmillPunk...
Why do I like the idea of that? Perhaps you have some 'Green' credentials? Windpunk in general would probably free up some natural reserves for other more important uses. Like my car maybe. Ps. Like the new pic by the way. |
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2009, 11:11:45 PM » |
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Steam> diesel> atom> cyber.
Hey, this is pretty good! A punk-spectrum! Quick, someone with artistic talent, draw us a punk-spectrum! |
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2009, 11:50:13 PM » |
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I honestly don't view much of a distinction between dieselpunk and atompunk, if any at all.
I've seen these sorts of arguments emerge with steampunk as well, by those who feel that clockwork, coal, gas the arrival of electricity and the like aren't adequately represented. Sure, "steam" is a central element of steampunk, but it's not all there is to it. Steampunk as a term is broader, in my opinion, than some would like to believe.
The same is true for dieselpunk. Diesel fuel may be a central element, but the time period it encompasses includes the early days of space travel, nuclear weapons and power, and the signature styles of the 1940s and 1950s. If steampunk is a subculture which reflects a future that never was, and can include everything from Tesla coils (reflecting the advent of harnessing electricity) to airships (going beyond the infancy of flight in that time period), why can't dieselpunk ultimately do the same with nuclear power (rooted in the 1940s, courtesy of the atom bomb) and spaceships (which, again, has its roots in a definitively dieselpunk time period)? Since when were alien invaders, rockets to the moon, irradiated mutants, and fears of M.A.D. not part of dieselpunk?
I don't see an innate or desperate "need" for the term "atompunk." It merely focuses on certain elements of dieselpunk, just as clockpunk focuses on certain elements of steampunk, and biopunk focuses on certain elements of cyberpunk. These terms have their uses, but I'd be hard-pressed to call them separate subcultures. I see them as falling under the umbrellas of the "big three."
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