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Author Topic: A sad day for steampunk...  (Read 7465 times)
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« on: February 28, 2007, 01:54:23 am »

Unfortunately, Steampunkopedia has been pulled off the eathernet. One of the best resources on steampunk is now gone. This was quite a shock...I mean, i know that there has been a bit of a schism between Piechur and, well, a lot of people, but i didn't think it would end like this. This is truly a blow to the Steampunk community...I'm sad now.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2007, 02:01:30 am »

NO! That was one of the best libraries on the web........why!?

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 02:22:29 am »

I can't believe he resorted to that. How bitter and unprofessional. He even left the Polish site up. Just removed the english one. Doesn't he realize that we can easily translate polish with the marvels of the internet?

Fortunately though between the wikipedia article on steampunk, Corys site, Aether Emporium, and Brass Goggles, and the other various sites, there are plenty of links around.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2007, 02:25:14 am »

It's not down-time, on vov-net he announced it. Very ungentlemanly, i agree.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2007, 02:34:16 am »

Fortunately though between the wikipedia article on steampunk, Corys site, Aether Emporium, and Brass Goggles, and the other various sites, there are plenty of links around.

Thats very true...but I found stuff on his site that I never saw anywhere else Sad
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2007, 02:36:42 am »

What was this? Why did he take it down?
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2007, 02:48:14 am »

God I hope this isn't in bad form.. but to my understanding,

he most likely took it down, because he thinks that people are stealing his links, and announcements. For some reason he has this idea that everything he posts belongs to him. He runs a database of OTHER peoples projects. So it's not possible for him to take that kind of an attitude. Besides that I know for a fact that he has bad blood between himself and a number of the members of the Steampunk community.

(and here is where I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds)  Lips sealed

Furthermore due to his past confrontational, and downright immature behavior he was not "invited" to join this forum.

So maybe this was his juvenile way to say "if I can't play in your playground, you can't play with my toys".

I would have sent this as a PM, but I think it's important to state it here and now, to avoid the same question being raised ad nauseum.

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2007, 02:52:36 am »

Wow what an ass.
That's one of the reasons I never bothered with the nov-net board. I popped in once or twice and quickly abandoned it. It's nothing against the board or its creator (Ottens, was it?), but that Piechur guy rubbed me wrong from the start. It only took me about 4 seconds on that forum to decide that guy was a bitter, negative crybaby and he ALWAYS had to put his 2 cents in on EVERY topic. Not that one jerk is ordinarily going to keep me off a board or anything, but I'm on a zillion other forums that I cant keep up with as it is, so when I walked in, looked around, and was faced with that, I became quickly disillusioned and walked away before giving it a chance.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2007, 02:55:46 am »

Well yeah there's that too.. lol. Glad you said it, and not me.

I actually just sent Ottens a PM telling him to please feel free to come by here and promote his stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2007, 03:12:10 am »

haha yeah I have the liberty of being the outspoken outsider. I have no allegience to this guy, nor do we have any shared friends that I know of, so I can pretty much call it as I see it.

The last time I was at the nov-net forums was when they told me that I wasnt steampunk enough to be in their webring. Not that I was ever claiming to be some steampunk icon, but I was a little confused by their exclusivity. If I was running a webring, I'd try to add as many like-minded sites as I could, from the major portals right down to the minor artists.

*shrug* I didnt lose any sleep over it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2007, 03:16:35 am »

I do use the Nov-net forums, mostly because politics is allowed (even if almost everyone there is conservative, and I'm most certainly not. Most users are open-minded, however).  But there hasn't been much activity on there recently...
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2007, 04:17:01 am »


"Can't we all just get along!?"

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NO. Thats why we need duels. Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2007, 04:28:06 am »

But Patasapien, if he doesnt agree to a duel you're just shooting at a running man....and fun as that may be it could get old fairly quickly Grin
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2007, 04:38:50 am »

Eh, I'm not too big on duels. They're over too quickly and there's no sport in them.
How about a swordfight? I happen to have a sword for just such an occasion......
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2007, 04:53:29 am »

I happen to have a sword for just such an occasion......

Yes, and I'm sure anyone who's seen said weapon would avoid its cut with mortal concern!
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2007, 04:54:37 am »

But Patasapien, if he doesnt agree to a duel you're just shooting at a running man....and fun as that may be it could get old fairly quickly Grin

How fast it gets old would have to work out somehow inversely proportionate to the amount of emotional distress the individual caused, I would think.
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2007, 05:11:16 am »

But Patasapien, if he doesnt agree to a duel you're just shooting at a running man....and fun as that may be it could get old fairly quickly Grin

Ooooh....ok...your right.....Tazing on the other hand.... Wink
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2007, 06:14:09 am »

But Patasapien, if he doesnt agree to a duel you're just shooting at a running man....and fun as that may be it could get old fairly quickly Grin

Ooooh....ok...your right.....Tazing on the other hand.... Wink

Heh, Kinda adds a new twist to the term "Now, Dance!"

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2007, 07:07:09 am »

I just can't believe people here think it's gentlemenly to throw dirt at a person who cannot even defend himself here.

I have taken pages of the Internet in the past because people kept copying the stuff (or worse: hotlinking) without giving any credits. It was a site I spend some years on doing the research, and then it is very bitter to see other people run of with it with a simple copy/paste action.
I can understand Piechur's action. I have seen it been done with other great sites on the internet, writers who saw people coying their stories, artists who had their work hotlinked to hundreds of other sites, and so on, and so on. It is never the bad sites that are removed because of this.
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2007, 07:12:14 am »

This is all very sad as I spoke to him a couple of times and he seemed a nice enough chap.

However, the loss of such a resource has forced me to demonstrate some of my foul and terrible powers.

Not only bringing into play awesome web fu but the darkest of cyberskills: internecromancy.

Reaching through the monitor I am able to grasp the wisplike threads of the ghost of websites past and relying on the mantra "nothing is ever really lost on the Net (not even Shatner or Hasselhoff)" I drag forth the site again.

In fact it appears I can offer 2 versions:

  • A pre-Steampunkopedia version (as of late 2005 I believe)
  • A version as of the 12th of Feb, this seems the less than satisfactory version as it doesn't appear to be cached beyond that page. I will try kicking the wheels and fiddling with the settings but I fear my first quick stab at this might be my best one

I suppose:

1. With the "hive mind" working on it a more distributed approach can probably marshall an impressive set of resources in no time at all. The Aether Emporium seems a much better approach in the end.

2. He may reconsider this in the cold light of... summer. There were a lot of things that made his site unique in particular the central/eastern European work that is difficult to stumble across for we English speakers. Perhaps someone could talk to him? Leave the door open in case he reconsiders so there are no residing bad feelings.

Anyway, as they say, the show must go on.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2007, 09:20:56 am »

I happen to have a sword for just such an occasion......

Yes, and I'm sure anyone who's seen said weapon would avoid its cut with mortal concern!

hehe and you know a man means business when he has a sword, but hasn't bothered to make a scabbard for it!
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2007, 10:53:29 am »

That is a very unfortunate loss for the Steampunk community.  Despite my differences with the author, the Steampunkopaedia was one of the most comprehensive resources available, and I'm sure (allowing for the arcane workings of internecromancy) that it will be missed by many.
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2007, 07:03:34 pm »

Steampunk Chronology:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:4lJAcHKJbigJ:steampunk.republika.pl/chrono02.html+retrostacja+steampunk+chronology&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=nl&client=firefox-a

Steampunk Links:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:j5vuHBThTskJ:www.steampunk.republika.pl/link01.html+retrostacja+linki&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=nl&client=firefox-a

Yay! I'm useful!

I recommend you download the sites - Google won't hold them forever.
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2007, 07:13:39 pm »

I think that he threw plenty of dirt on himself. We are all just talking about it.

Each of the people here that have had a bad run in with him, started on good terms, but soon enough we all did something to break his fragile sensibilities. I don't know about the others, but when I tried to explain the misunderstanding in a calm, collected manner, where I actually took responsibility for making a mistake (and not trying to argue that I was right), all he did was reply with harsh knee jerk assumptions that I was trying to rip him off, and no matter what I said or how I apologized, he just couldn't accept my apology.

I for one am glad he can't defend himself here, because he wouldn't defend himself, he would just come in here and make snide comments with smile.

And as for his justification of removing content. He didn't write any of those links, he didn't review anything, all he did was compile a database, and post brief descriptions for some of the more prominent links.

Besides which it isn't like the sites that linked to the same things left his site out. In fact all of us put Steampunkopedia in our top links! How could we be stealing from him, when we were all supporting him??!!

His fallout with me was over me using code from his site on mine. The funny thing is that he was helping me redesign my site, and I figured he'd use the same code on my page (since it was for a page dedicated to my music videos). So I just decided to take the initiative and do it myself (to save him some work). After all he was helping me out for free, and I thought it would be nice to help him, so he didn't have to spend all of his free time helping me.

Biggest mistake I've made dealing with a person online in a long time.

The irony of it is that if he took a long hard look at his own site, he would find himself to be a hypocrite. Because he was hosting music videos from major label artists (who I'm pretty damned sure didn't give him permission to use their videos).


I just can't believe people here think it's gentlemenly to throw dirt at a person who cannot even defend himself here.

I have taken pages of the Internet in the past because people kept copying the stuff (or worse: hotlinking) without giving any credits. It was a site I spend some years on doing the research, and then it is very bitter to see other people run of with it with a simple copy/paste action.
I can understand Piechur's action. I have seen it been done with other great sites on the internet, writers who saw people coying their stories, artists who had their work hotlinked to hundreds of other sites, and so on, and so on. It is never the bad sites that are removed because of this.
Do you know copyright laws started in 1888?
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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2007, 07:44:27 pm »

I just can't believe people here think it's gentlemenly to throw dirt at a person who cannot even defend himself here.

I have taken pages of the Internet in the past because people kept copying the stuff (or worse: hotlinking) without giving any credits. It was a site I spend some years on doing the research, and then it is very bitter to see other people run of with it with a simple copy/paste action.
I can understand Piechur's action. I have seen it been done with other great sites on the internet, writers who saw people coying their stories, artists who had their work hotlinked to hundreds of other sites, and so on, and so on. It is never the bad sites that are removed because of this.
Do you know copyright laws started in 1888?

I think what we're talking about here is a FAR cry from copyright infringement, especially because there's not even a scrap of intellectual property to speak of. Yes, there's something to be said for the value of the collection itself and the effort that went into it, and it would be messed up if someone just stole the whole site and mirrored it, but we're only talking about a few isolated similar posts. In a scene as small as steampunk, you have to expect that we're all going to find out about new things right around the same time and we're going to share it through links or conversation.
We're talking about a collection of public domain links here anyway, not proprietary content, and he has no right to get all pissy and bitchy about someone "stealing up all his steampunk" or whatever, much less to start making accusations and harassing people about it. All those web links on his site didnt just grow there. How many of HIS links came from other sites, eh?

The fact that he's throwing around such ludicrous statements like people are trying to "have a monopoly on steampunk" and wanting to "eliminate the competition" with no provocation or evidence to support them is pretty strong evidence that HE wants to have a monopoly on it, and HE's getting upset that there's competition

He obviously judges the world by the yardstick of his own pettiness

...and now he's thrown a tantrum.

That's my take on it anyway.
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