[insert noun]punk

[JingleJoe]

I keep seeing alot of variation on steampunk styles that have names made from some word with punk on the end, but why doesn't anyone seem to add steam? Surely this makes more sense! The defining and common feature being things from the age of steam; the victorian era! Punk suffixes just make it seem like some variation on the punk style from the 1980's to me
If steampunk wasn't so widely refared to as steampunk I might call it something different (like victorian sci-fi) but doing that now would just make things confusing
However! All the new little niches forming in steampunk, why not try to add steam sometimes? SteamScience SteamFaeries SteamLace to name a few variations on thier punk counterparts I've seen around BG

Although, I know this wouldn't work for some styles which don't encorporate things from the age of steam, like DieselPunk, I think that name fits it's genre/sub-culture much better because dieselpunk things often do look a little bit punk (as in the 1980's kind) whereas steampunk things, have less punk and much, much more steam.
So chaps and chappettes, lets try adding some steam to our sub-cultures

[punkandska66]

Crustpunk, Streetpunk, Folk Punk, Celtic Punk, Anarcho Punk, '77 Punk, Gypsie Punk, Horror Punk, Ska Punk, etc...

Oh my bad. I read the title, so I insterted a noun infront of "punk". You wanted a noun after of "steam"?

[stardust]

i want to be a steampirate! i never liked the whole punk thing much anyway!

[punkandska66]

i want to be a steampirate! i never liked the whole punk thing much anyway!

I love pirates, and that sound awesome! But it kind of seems like being an airship pirate, so it could still fit in with steampunk. But I guess if the whole scene revolved around pirating, then it would be different.

[Sean Patrick O-Byrne]

The whole 'stitchpunk' thing in reference to '9' is my latest annoyance. They're bloody ragdolls. Call 'em that.

[Victoria The Mistress]

Aha - Steamdoll - EGL but brass and brown? 

[Capt. Dirigible]

The trouble with specific labels is that after a while people don't want to  be 'labelled'. Someone sees a subculture they like the look of but don't want to be seen as 'bandwagon jumping' or they want to give the impression that what they are doing is slightly different from what already exists so they give it a slightly different name. Then after a while when loads of other people have adopted the same name someone comes along and does the same thing slightly differently and gives it a new title...and so on..

Look at real 'punk rock'. After a while, once punk had peaked,  new bands didn't want to be labelled 'punk' so they started to call themselves (or were labelled by the music press) 'power pop'..because although it still had the rawness of punk it was more tuneful and less hate filled. It had transformed ever so slightly from what it started out as but was basically  punk  played by people with more skill playing their instruments.

'Goth' has a stigma attached to it for a lot of people so lo and behold we now have 'Emo' (stupidest name ever for a musical style) which is basically 'Goth:The Next Generation'. Give it a few years and some up and coming band will bring out an album and in an interview will insist they're NOT 'emo' but perhaps 'Neo-Emo' or 'Neuveaux Goth'..or 'Emo-plus' or some such  title which they feel sets them aside from 'everyone else'.

Look at all the different kinds of music styles that end in 'metal'. Originally there was 'Heavy Metal'...but newer bands thought there was an 'old fart' stigma attached to that so they begat 'Nu-Metal'...'Speed Metal'...'Thrash Metal'....'Black Metal'..but in reality it's all just really loud, fast guitar based rock (often it's just the vocal content that seperates them).

Many people don't want to be seen as  'following the crowd' so they'll come up with their own version of an existing sub culture. "Oh I'm not a 'steampunk'...I dress in a totally different, earlier time period..I'm 'lacepunk'"  But they are still just 'retro futuristic'/'alternative future past' but want to appear to be  something new and unique.

Adding 'punk' to the end of any noun to make it some new sub culture is as pointless as the press adding the suffix 'Gate' (after Watergate) to various words/places/businesses/people's name  whenever there is a scandal, ie Whitewatergate, Manuelgate, Irangate, Billygate, Cheriegate.etc.

[Sir Nikolas Vendigroth]

Chaps, I've invented a new subculture, I'm going to call it Punkpunk. Or just Punk, for short.

Adherants will be required to put safety pins through parts of themselves, listen to the new band called the Sex Pistols and wear odd hairdos, in garish colours, for preference.

Hang on, I'm in the wrong decade again. Nevermind.

[MechanicalMouse]

I think GatePunk works fine...

[clockwork creation]

Cant go wrong with Daft punk 

[Lazaras]

Quite true.

I'm personally not sure if the things I write qualify as punk, even if they are in the general victoria fantastica theme, so i tend to adopt the Gaslamp term the creators of Girl Genius uses. After all what I do isn't inherently anti-anything and the only rebellion it offers is a rebellion against the hum-drum boring offered by any story that one might find enjoyable.

[JingleJoe]

SteamCrust, SteamStreet, SteamFolk, SteamCelt, SteamAnarchy, SteamGypsie , SteamHorror,

Fixed

[JingleJoe]

i want to be a steampirate! i never liked the whole punk thing much anyway!

I love pirates, and that sound awesome! But it kind of seems like being an airship pirate, so it could still fit in with steampunk. But I guess if the whole scene revolved around pirating, then it would be different.

I assume a steam pirate would sail a steam boat like this:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Or something more like this

[Vancouver Air Privateer]

I like the term Steampunk. It's more useful as a catch-all term for the Victorian Age being modded out for the modern age - not really "punk" but it gives the right idea of extreme innovation to standard Victorianism. A steampunk can be a pirate, explorer, scientist or what-have you.

[TimeTinker]

Steamedfish - rebellious anglers building odd contraptions to coax the slimy things from the depths (or maybe just a tasty dish)
Steampress - the printed word delivering the very finest tales and articles (or just a way to get sharp creases in your trousers)
Steamboat - naval activities from the age of Victorian excellence (or a great name for a film with a mouse in it)
 

[Herr Döktor]

Steamiron- a reactionary movement after all that brass

Steamtrain- the healthy ones

Steamhammer- Thor's Neo Victorian descendants

Steambath- Westcountry members of the fraternity

I could go on...

[TimeTinker]

Sorry JJ - I have probably been caught out threadjacking and wish to plead guilty. In mitigation I offer that I needed a little bit of stress relief having JUST FINISHED the Asylum E Pack and ask for ten further offences of attempting to be humorous through threadjacking to be taken into consideration.  (I might have guessed that Ian wouldn't have been able to resist a bit of wordplay too )

You are of course totally right in the proliferation of ~~~punk.  As they say though imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  I am tempted to just hold onto Steampunk as our own and look down patronisingly on the wannabe nounpunks   (Mind you dieselpunk is very intriguing...)

[Herr Döktor]

Oh, alright, back on subject: I really don't give a hoot what it's called: labels are for jam-jars, after all- "Steampunk" is an easily applied and recognised epithet, beyond that I personally like Neo-Victorian, but even that is too narrow a definition for what is a very maleable and diverse interest.

[Utini420]

The new steampunk magazine has a nice cartoon in it, applicable to this discussion.

[JingleJoe]

Sorry JJ - I have probably been caught out threadjacking and wish to plead guilty.

It is no problem my good man, yours and the Dok's suggestions are what I was hoping for/expecting in this thread

I am tempted to just hold onto Steampunk as our own and look down patronisingly on the wannabe nounpunks

Same here

The new steampunk magazine has a nice cartoon in it, applicable to this discussion.

Oh really? I must look into this, perhaps a link for the non-googleers?

[Utini420]

http://www.steampunkmagazine.com/inside/issue-6-is-here-at-last/

[hatchleader]

Give it a few years and some up and coming band will bring out an album and in an interview will insist they're NOT 'emo' but perhaps 'Neo-Emo' or 'Neuveaux Goth'..or 'Emo-plus' or some such  title which they feel sets them aside from 'everyone else'.

Thats already happened... Apparently its called 'SCENE'!!!!!

I was under the impression it was just called 'being a teenager'... but hey I'm a cynic!!

[helios]

The new steampunk magazine has a nice cartoon in it, applicable to this discussion.

I rather enjoyed the Punkpunk.

[Capt. Dirigible]

Thats already happened... Apparently its called 'SCENE'!!!!!

Well..there you go! What does an old fart like me know about today's kids and their pop 'n' roll music!

[OswaldBastable]

Steamedfish - rebellious anglers building odd contraptions to coax the slimy things from the depths (or maybe just a tasty dish)
Steampress - the printed word delivering the very finest tales and articles (or just a way to get sharp creases in your trousers)
Steamboat - naval activities from the age of Victorian excellence (or a great name for a film with a mouse in it)
 

I just started laughing really loudly in work reading that; people are looking at me; I'd best pretend to ring someone important lol