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Captain Carne
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« on: July 13, 2009, 08:59:19 pm »

Hey, jus thought i would start a thread on aetherness! I (a while ago) nievly bought a book on it which must date to around 1920's (ill go pull it out in a bit to get the title for you people) but i didnt know what it was about and im sort of someone who goes to book shops (old ones) and pick out the weirdest books there Tongue

Just wondered how people use the force of aether in there steampunkery?
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 09:01:43 pm »

type aether into the forum search, and you'll get your answers.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 09:04:48 pm »

I´d love to find a scientific book on the aether from back then. Though 1920 seems a bit late for it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 09:16:08 pm »

I´d love to find a scientific book on the aether from back then. Though 1920 seems a bit late for it.

Looking at a quick glance online it seemed to be pre 1870's sort of it sorta got proved wrong from then on

Im not sure but i think its the concept from that guy off hellboy2
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 09:17:46 pm »

The book is called aether and reality

First printed in 1925 =/
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 09:27:56 pm »

Yes it started dying off with the Michelson-Morley experiment, then got the coup de grace in 1905 with Einstein´s theory.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2009, 09:31:27 pm »

Yes it started dying off with the Michelson-Morley experiment, then got the coup de grace in 1905 with Einstein´s theory.

So it is quite a steam punk idea =]
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2009, 09:40:09 pm »

Well, it´s a victorian scientific theory, so very much so. It might be getting a bit of a revival in science too, but that involves weird quantum mechanics stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2009, 09:44:19 pm »

I love quantum mechanics xd so mind bending xD very steampunk!
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2009, 09:51:13 pm »

Nah, very un-steampunk I would say. A steampunk universe should be newtonian, like clockwork.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 11:14:41 pm »

Hey, just thought i would start a thread on aetherness! I (a while ago) naively bought a book on it which must date to around 1920's (I'll go pull it out in a bit to get the title for you people) but i didn't know what it was about and I'm sort of someone who goes to book shops (old ones) and pick out the weirdest books there Tongue

Just wondered how people use the force of aether in there steampunkery?

Ætherpunk is a subset and/or cohort of
Steampunk, depending on who you talk
to.

In any case, Ætherpunks are welcome
here on BrassGoggles, along with the
Dieselpunks, Clockpunks, &tc.

Just how folks use the æther depends
upon which æther model they employ :

Aether Theories
From Wikipedia
http://tinyurl.com/9uweoj

While the list given at the link above is
by no means exhaustive, it is a good
place to start.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 11:15:12 pm »

I´d love to find a scientific book on the aether from back then. Though 1920 seems a bit late for it.
Lodge's Ether & Reality was
published in 1925, actually :

Ether & Reality :
A Series of Discourses
on the Many Functions
of the Ether of Space

by Oliver Lodge
Hodder and Stoughton, 1925.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 11:22:39 pm »

Aetherpunk? People are really getting picky now. It´s like the music stuff, dividing everything.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2009, 12:02:57 am »

Yes it started dying off with the Michelson-Morley experiment, then got the coup de grace in 1905 with Einstein´s theory.

Actually, the Michelson-Morley null-result only
disproved the concept of an unentrained æther.

During the 1920s, Dayton Miller measured an
æther-drift of about 10 kilometers per second
with his interferometer atop Mount Wilson.

See :

Dayton Miller "The Ether-Drift Experiment and
the Determination of the Absolute Motion of
the Earth,"
Nature, Volume 133,
page 162, February 3, 1934.
http://tinyurl.com/n7omhk
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2009, 12:06:29 am »

Nah, very un-steampunk I would say. A steampunk universe should be Newtonian, like clockwork.


" Thomson did not hold, or pass on to Maxwell,
Faraday's view on the materiality of force and,
in general, the more radical parts of Faraday's
theory. In common with Maxwell, Stokes and
others associated with Cambridge, he held a
view which combined Cartesian metaphysics
with Newtonian mechanics : space is full of a
material substance, ether, and what we
ordinarily call matter is a modification of that
substance. For example, matter could be a
stress in a solid-like ether or vortices in a
liquid ether.

In any case, this substance obeyed
Newton's laws.
"

~ from :

Fields of Force :
The Development of a World View
from Faraday to Einstein

by William Berkson
Routledge, 1974
Pages 136-137.
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2009, 12:14:33 am »

Aetherpunk? People are really getting picky now.
This is hardly news.

If folks will check our archives, they
will find aetherpunk and etherpunk
have come up in discussions here on
BrassGoogles since 2007.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2009, 12:30:13 am »

I like aether in my Steam'verse. It provides an excellent juxtaposition of technologies. The cold, hard, reliable steel and iron of , against the unreliable, unexplainable, quantum Aetherwork.
It also gives me a really good superweapon that Steamwork, and Clockwork tech lacks.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2009, 12:46:52 am »

Th optical interferometer that was constructed to detect the "Ætherial Wind" has recently been resurrected as a test for gravity waves...

...it seems that there may have been something in it after all...

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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2009, 12:54:34 am »

No, those are different things. Both would just cause changes in the alignment of light rays. I meant more things regarding zero point energy when I talked about a revival of the aether.
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2009, 01:13:47 am »

Kind of ties in with my own personal theory of everyone from Einstein on down being completely wrong about "Gravity." Rather than being something intrinsic to matter or caused by matter, it is my considered opinion that it is an as yet undiscovered "overpressure" constant throughout the physical Universe, and partially blocked from one direction ("down") by an object of planetary mass. Thus, you are not 'pulled' towards the planet from below, but rather 'pushed' into the planet from above. Perhaps it is aether. Wink

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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2009, 01:18:02 am »

There is some stuff about how pendulums apparently change their rhytm during eclipses, which could indicate there is such a thing as gravity shielding. Though I don´t know how well researched that is. There was an interesting article in New Scientist some years back regarding how ZPE might be the cause of inertia.
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2009, 01:39:10 am »

If you poke around, there are also some "fringe science" sites, ranging from the moderately eccentric up to the utterly mad "Nature's 4-sided Time Cube" level, which have material on aetheric theories of light, gravity, and in some cases perhaps tinfoil hats. I have yet to see any that convinced me to cross Maxwell, Einstein, etc. off my list, but I admit to a spectator-level personal dissatisfaction with the Standard Model and related matters.
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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2009, 01:49:16 am »

Better to stay away from Nexus territory I think.
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2009, 02:09:14 am »

Ah Time Cube.
Words cannot describe the crazy.
Thus we shall let maths do it.

From Time Cube:
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-1 x -1= +1 is WRONG, it is academic stupidity and is evil.
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2009, 02:12:21 am »

Can't say I have ever used anasthetic.
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