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Thank you for the timely reminder, Violet Rose. For the female time-traveller, you should expect to be treated as property, in most cases little more than a dignified animal. If you aren't married, you belong to your father. And if your father is no longer alive your social status is at best that of an animal. For the most part you may own property as long as nobody else lays claim to it. And while you may generally be regarded as the weaker sex, unless you can demonstrate that you are of noble birth, you will probably be a beast of burden.
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« Reply #126 on: July 15, 2009, 01:20:30 pm » |
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hence the beauty of steampunk.
all the wonderful bits of the past and present, (beauty of the past with technology of the present) with out all the unwelcome parts of the past and present, (the dying in childbirth, cold and with fleas, and the ugly unimaginative produce of a consumer society).
i can't for the life of me understand why more people don't embrace steampunk. it's the best of everything!
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« Reply #127 on: July 15, 2009, 02:24:40 pm » |
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We do wear some pretty thick rose-colored goggles looking back on all this stuff and cherry picking the best parts.
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« Reply #128 on: July 15, 2009, 02:52:42 pm » |
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I must admit that although I like my steam tech to be functional I also love when its completely off the rocker. I love the water gun mods that look like they are able to take down a brick wall in one blast and I have a deep personal fetish for big automatons that everything in my education and experience tells me could and should never ever be able to work.
To me Steampunk without an element of fantasy would just be trying to relive ideals of glory days that only were glorious for a fraction of the populace.
That said I also love to tinker with mechanics, steam and electricity to make quite functional things I just don't see them as the only way to be steampunk, and I honestly dislike the notion that it in itself makes a person more steamy if he "lives" steampunk.
I work with steam professionally but I also quite love that my old car starts at the flick of a key rather than having to get up several hours earlier to fire up the boiler on my steam driven vehicle.
To some this is a hobby others likes to emerge themselves completely in a, still very very fictional, world but all are welcome and all are equally steampunk.
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« Reply #129 on: July 15, 2009, 02:58:17 pm » |
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I must admit that although I like my steam tech to be functional I also love when its completely off the rocker. I love the water gun mods that look like they are able to take down a brick wall in one blast and I have a deep personal fetish for big automatons that everything in my education and experience tells me could and should never ever be able to work.
To me Steampunk without an element of fantasy would just be trying to relive ideals of glory days that only were glorious for a fraction of the populace.
That said I also love to tinker with mechanics, steam and electricity to make quite functional things I just don't see them as the only way to be steampunk, and I honestly dislike the notion that it in itself makes a person more steamy if he "lives" steampunk.
I work with steam professionally but I also quite love that my old car starts at the flick of a key rather than having to get up several hours earlier to fire up the boiler on my steam driven vehicle.
To some this is a hobby others likes to emerge themselves completely in a, still very very fictional, world but all are welcome and all are equally steampunk.
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« Reply #130 on: July 15, 2009, 06:40:36 pm » |
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We do wear some pretty thick rose-colored goggles looking back on all this stuff and cherry picking the best parts.
Utini that to me is the nature and virtue of Steampunk, to be able to pick what we like and want from the past and combine it with what is good now. Bring on the rose coloured goggles. |
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There is nothing that cannot be made a little worse and sold a little cheaper
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« Reply #131 on: July 15, 2009, 07:17:04 pm » |
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Oh, I agree completely. But the selection needs to be conscious and considered, not accidental or out of ignorance. Otherwise we miss that whole, "learn from history, better the future," thing.
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« Reply #132 on: July 15, 2009, 07:53:15 pm » |
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and if we can combine it with improving the future (through green politics, re-using things and taking a step back from rampant consumerism) then even better.
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« Reply #133 on: July 16, 2009, 04:22:58 am » |
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i agree that steampunk definitely seems like it can be a mix of nearly everything. There can be eco ethics and even politics (not here but in general  as well as tinkering and athstetics. hello everyone, i am another one of these lifelong tinkerers with a penchant for hats pocket watches and the like. i have always made my own clothes and for the last 10 years or so they may have been able to be called steampunk though i first heard the term about a month ago. Funny to find out there is a subculture... anyhoo One example, i think of definitive steampunk cinema (or in this case television then cinema) is an american show called Firefly. It was on fox sometime before 2002 (that's when the box set i discovered came out) This has it all sure they're on a spaceship in "the verse" but the athstetic is very steam punk. These folks go down on to worlds that are like the old west with train heists and all or victorian sware's (sorry no affect mark on my keyboard) The movie made after it is probably more well known its called Serenity. What i really appreciate is the mix of old metal and flipping open leather books to reveal iphone like control panels that can recode automated doorways and the like. because we have new technology and we have gears and old technology, now we can decide how to use it all to our best advantage and have it look pretty while doing so. One more thing since my first post has become such a rambler... the whole steam driven horseless carriage business. Now i am not claiming to be any kind of historian and maybe there were steam powered cars at some point but i would just like to point out that hydrogen was the fuel used in the first automobile prototype. Given it use in airships of the past as well and that the Hindenburg disaster was mostly media hype and caused by the fabric not the hydrogen, why do no inventors (readily posting on their websites or forums) using hydrogen. i got myself a degree in auto tinkering to help further the fuel transition while recycling old gas and diesel vehicles to do so, so maybe i'm hydrogenpunk if the steam must be literal i think the best part of this idea as a subculture is that we can draw the very best parts of all of history and use them to create a future we like. We as in 100% not 10% As a side note before i discovered the term steam punk i used to use neotribalism which is pretty similar except the victorian era is an equal contributor instead of the defining point and the focus is on the tribalism and reconstruction of failing societies For instance a few years ago i made a very victorian styled coat, but it was a faux snakeskin with a giant blue rabbit reapproriated into shoulders inner cuffs and more, i called it neo tribalist, but if any one claiming steam punk had seen it i bet they'd have told me i had a great steam punk coat. My apologies with coming out of lurking land with such a lengthy post but i wrote it all now so i'm not going to erase it |
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« Reply #134 on: July 16, 2009, 08:38:18 pm » |
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And welcome Anami! If you ever erase anything, let it never be your enthusiasm!
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« Reply #135 on: July 16, 2009, 08:52:15 pm » |
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Not if i tried darlin', not if i tried Speaking of we rewatched serenity last night and noticed that its steampunkier than firefly, almost on purpose. Goggles i hadn't noticed before and that the doors are controled by, you guessed it, steam... |
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« Reply #136 on: July 17, 2009, 01:50:26 am » |
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Welcome, anami, to our little corner of the 'Verse. We look forward to reading your personal spin on Steampunk.
As for Firefly, well, I think you'll find more than a few Browncoats in these parts.
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« Reply #137 on: July 17, 2009, 06:08:01 pm » |
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craftsmanship doesn't have to mean hearkening back to the past, it can mean bettering the future, DIY doesn't have to mean junkyard creations, it can mean recycled, home grown, hand made.... if im wrong please tell me, but that's what i believe steampunk maybe not is.... but should be.....
This element is already there... just look through the tactile threads, Jake Von Slatts' site, Datamancer's site, etc... hat drives me crazy about your posts is that you try to tell people that the scifi element shouldn't be there, because you don't like it... i think the scifi element should be inspiration, if steampunk becomes cosplay there will just be a schism.... please do remember that scifi is short for science "FICTION" |
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« Reply #138 on: July 17, 2009, 07:49:47 pm » |
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If steampunk becomes just cosplay it will be cosplay - if it becomes just historical re-enactment it will be historical re-enactment. The joy of steampunk is that it is an admixture of many things - a deep well from which many can drink and be refreshed
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« Reply #139 on: July 17, 2009, 08:00:52 pm » |
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in what way does cosplay advance culture?  nuf said O_o |
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« Reply #140 on: July 17, 2009, 09:03:52 pm » |
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Well Dan, it keeps the cosplayers off the streets.
And that guy looks as though he should be kept off the streets.
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« Reply #141 on: July 17, 2009, 09:19:55 pm » |
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my entire life infact i have been living on the fringe in such a manor, for instance i belong to literally dozens of mountain man rendezvous clubs, we shoot blackpowder, dress in 1840s colonial American clothes and get together around campfires where we try to drink ourselves blind and solve modern problems with old timey solutions. in what way does cosplay advance culture? nuf said O_o What is the difference? no campfire or booze at the con? or no guys wearing blond wigs at the mountain man rendezvous clubs? Edit: "dress in 1840s colonial American clothes" .....someone else what to address this one? |
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« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2009, 08:24:18 am » |
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in what way does cosplay advance culture?
nuf said O_o
On the other hand he looks like he is having fun, to which some would argue he actually embodies the very essence of steampunk  just because you don't like it or agree with it, doesn't make it wrong or not steampunk. |
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« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2009, 08:29:36 am » |
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or no guys wearing blond wigs at the mountain man rendezvous clubs Tee-Hee!  |
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« Reply #144 on: July 18, 2009, 08:11:03 pm » |
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What is the difference? no campfire or booze at the con? or no guys wearing blond wigs at the mountain man rendezvous clubs?
Heh. No campfire at the Con (though there may be a fake fireplace in the lobby), and if there are any blond wigs at mountain man gatherings I suppose they'd better be pretty natural looking, but there is definitely booze at the Con. Unless Cosplay Cons are waaaay different from their science fiction cousins. I understand people who get a little concerned about elements they don't like creeping into or overlapping with their chosen subcultures, but frankly, tophatdan, I wouldn't worry about it. Doing so will just make you miserable to no profitable end. It won't stop those other people from engaging in their chosen activities. Just do the things you enjoy doing and don't worry about anyone else's thing! If a guy in a yellow (not even exactly blond, but I nit-pick) wig bothers you, don't talk to him. If he approaches you and you don't like it, brush him off. Do you live in a large city? (I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly but I think you've said not). I do, and I take public transportation to and from work every day. I see all sorts of people on there. Sometimes they approach me in ways I do not like - generally to discuss religion and/or ask for money. I find ways to politely brush them off. They are an annoyance with which I simply have to cope. And this is in a place (transportation to and from my place of employment) where I am obliged to be; I can't avoid them by simply not being there. And I'm certainly not having as much fun as I am at a convention! Personally, if I'm doing my thing and I enjoy it, I only concern myself with what others are doing if it is disruptive and/or dangerous. Which is rare. So why worry? As far as contributions to society are concerned, there are so many ways to do this, with or without a subculture, that one can't see on the surface. It is statistically unlikely, but wouldn't we all feel stupid if we opened the news and that guy in the wig had won the Nobel Prize in medicine? The point being, one's subcultural identification does not always constitute one's contribution to society. It doesn't have to. |
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« Reply #145 on: July 18, 2009, 08:52:37 pm » |
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Very nicely said Mr Tesla
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« Reply #146 on: July 18, 2009, 09:11:56 pm » |
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But seriously, first impressions count
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« Reply #147 on: July 18, 2009, 10:50:44 pm » |
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For me when I discovered steampunk I found it to be a charming form of escapism. It is a fantastic hobby or even a way of life, which enables people to escape the rather dull reality of 9-5 jobs and responsibility. I think the whole point of steampunk is that it doesn't have to work. It's utopian nature, serves its purpose splendidly. Why does it have to make sense. To try and pin something down and force it to have purpose destroys the dream.
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« Reply #148 on: July 21, 2009, 09:12:23 pm » |
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Maybe I'm just bent, or too much of a "con native," but that dude dressed as Sailor Moon looks like a frackin' riot. I bet money he's funny as hell. I mean, do you really think he doesn't know how that looks? First impressions count, but only so much and really, is it his problem what uptight folks think of his walking joke?
Oh, and no booze at the Con. Right. That's a good one.
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« Reply #149 on: July 22, 2009, 01:29:52 am » |
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Oh, and no booze at the Con. Right. That's a good one.
I've never been to one, but I figured they were fairly kid friendly, ie no liquor sales... Guess I lernt somtin' today... |
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