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« on: May 19, 2009, 02:30:46 pm »

So from what I've read, steampunk is, for the most part, in London, is this always the case?  Can it be outside of London and still be considered steampunk?
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 02:38:31 pm »

So from what I've read, steampunk is, for the most part, in London, is this always the case?  Can it be outside of London and still be considered steampunk?

I'm guessing you haven't read much steampunk. Typically the time period is Victorian/early 20th century, but it can be set geographically anywhere. I've read plenty of stories where authors even created their own worlds.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 02:39:48 pm »

Of course it can be set anywhere - there is no reason whatsoever it has to be in London and whilst much of the written and video material does visit London the stories themselves usually placed elsewhere in relation to the action.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 02:44:27 pm »

So from what I've read, steampunk is, for the most part, in London, is this always the case?  Can it be outside of London and still be considered steampunk?

I'm guessing you haven't read much steampunk. Typically the time period is Victorian/early 20th century, but it can be set geographically anywhere. I've read plenty of stories where authors even created their own worlds.

Are there any good examples of it in the United States during the 1800s?  or is this outside the genre
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 02:44:38 pm »

Are there any good examples of it in the United States during the 1800s?  or is this outside the genre


Just yesterday, I actually finished a 15,400 word steampunk piece set in the USA in the 1800's. Now to find a publisher... Smiley

My first short story sold was a Christmas steampunk piece set in the American northeast during the later 1800's - when steam ships were replacing sail vessels - although the location is never explicitly said.

Come to think of it, I've been doing a lot of writing lately, and not a single piece is set in London. It's almost like I'm avoiding the place. LOL.

In the Steampunk Anthology that came out recently, there was a piece set in the American Wild West where a bunch of regulators driving a steam-powered automaton try to hunt down the Time Traveler from H.G. Wells' The Time Machine.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2009, 07:08:20 pm »

An obvious example for Steampunk in the US would probably be Wild Wild West, but there's also an America-Sourcebook for the Castle Falkenstein RPG, for example  (which, btw, makes Bavaria (Germany) into the most central place of the setting instead of the typical London).
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2009, 07:37:43 pm »


I take your point about SP often being set in London, but that doesn't mean it HAS to be.

I'd certainly like to see more diverse SP stories, it's certainly love to read a SP story or novel set in the Arabic speaking world and (more importantly) told from the Arabic perspective, or any other perspective than the somewhat cliched trope of solitary English inventor.

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 12:08:54 am »

Indeed considering the first known working steam machine was greek and the modern day father of steam (watt) was scots, we could really expect to see some authors exercising some imagination and offering a bit more variety.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 02:28:35 pm »

TBH whilst england was the driving force behind the industrial revolution, it was northern england that made the most of it. as someone who lives in an idustrial town in northern england i think we don't get the credit we deserve.

Maybe most authors chose london because it is universally known and leave northern towns because they are less likely to be known globaly?  Undecided

I still think someone should write a book based on bradford though... it could even use the imortal lines' you will never find a more wretched hive of scum or villany' without lying Grin
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 11:39:04 pm »

TBH whilst england was the driving force behind the industrial revolution, it was northern england that made the most of it. as someone who lives in an idustrial town in northern england i think we don't get the credit we deserve.

Maybe most authors chose london because it is universally known and leave northern towns because they are less likely to be known globaly?  Undecided

I still think someone should write a book based on bradford though... it could even use the imortal lines' you will never find a more wretched hive of scum or villany' without lying Grin

Er, surely by "northern england" you must be meaning "North Britain" AKA Scotland? James Watt - father of steam - Scottish, developed his condenser on Glasgow Green. Lord Kelvin -inventor of nearly everything else - including decent compasses and fridges. Scottish. Professor at Glasgow.

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 11:53:20 pm »

As a proud northerner who lives amongst the industrial heritage of an Empire my gut reaction is to point out how the coalfields of Yorkshire/Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire were the powerhouse of the industrial revolution.  (I know there are also coalfields in Scotland, the North East and South Wales too  but the Yorks/Derbys/Notts was and still is the most productive and therefore important. The first factory was established in Derbyshire etc. Ask anyone in the world where the best steel was made and they will say Sheffield. 

However that misses many things though - Bristol, Liverpool and London were the main ports for traffic of goods and raw materials. Ships to carry these were often built in Glasgow and Belfast.  Invention and genius encompassed folks from all over the UK (and occasionally the rest of the Empire too).  The industrial revolution also happened in other countries it just so happens that Great Britain was ahead of the game and better at it for the first seventy years or so.

London has always been good at promoting itself and beleiving its own publicity.  (The trouble is that people from the capital often have no understanding of what the rest of Great Britain is about.)  London's self promotional abilities are why people often consider it synonymous with the United Kingdom  and why it tends to dominate imagery.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 04:43:28 pm »

My steampunk novel takes place in a small Midwestern city at the cusp of the Victorian/Edwardian eras.  There is a strong dose of American Gothic in the narrative, with an atmospheric emphasis on the technology of the time, including steam power, locomotives, and the Victorian Internet (telegraphy.)  It might not be as sooty or creepy as London, but it's home.
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 07:53:44 pm »

My steampunk novel takes place in a small Midwestern city at the cusp of the Victorian/Edwardian eras.  There is a strong dose of American Gothic in the narrative, with an atmospheric emphasis on the technology of the time, including steam power, locomotives, and the Victorian Internet (telegraphy.)  It might not be as sooty or creepy as London, but it's home.

How far along are you on your novel?
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 08:47:57 pm »

It is not unlike the tendency of most action films to be set in either New York or Los Angeles.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 09:15:01 pm »

TBH whilst england was the driving force behind the industrial revolution, it was northern england that made the most of it. as someone who lives in an idustrial town in northern england i think we don't get the credit we deserve.

Maybe most authors chose london because it is universally known and leave northern towns because they are less likely to be known globaly?  Undecided

I still think someone should write a book based on bradford though... it could even use the imortal lines' you will never find a more wretched hive of scum or villany' without lying Grin
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 09:55:27 pm »

My steampunk novel takes place in a small Midwestern city at the cusp of the Victorian/Edwardian eras.  There is a strong dose of American Gothic in the narrative, with an atmospheric emphasis on the technology of the time, including steam power, locomotives, and the Victorian Internet (telegraphy.)  It might not be as sooty or creepy as London, but it's home.

How far along are you on your novel?

It is finished and (self) edited--I am a bona fide grammar Nazi.  I have just finished a number of query letters to send to agencies.  And I am trying to write a synopsis, which is making me want to eat my own face.  I mean, I just wrote a 598-page novel.  Why in the blazes is a synopsis so hard?
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2009, 05:50:48 pm »

My steampunk novel takes place in a small Midwestern city at the cusp of the Victorian/Edwardian eras.  There is a strong dose of American Gothic in the narrative, with an atmospheric emphasis on the technology of the time, including steam power, locomotives, and the Victorian Internet (telegraphy.)  It might not be as sooty or creepy as London, but it's home.

How far along are you on your novel?

It is finished and (self) edited--I am a bona fide grammar Nazi.  I have just finished a number of query letters to send to agencies.  And I am trying to write a synopsis, which is making me want to eat my own face.  I mean, I just wrote a 598-page novel.  Why in the blazes is a synopsis so hard?

I know that many new authors who started out on internet sites have been able to obtain publisihing contracts by pointing out how much of a following they already have online. If you have anything in the public domain, it might be worth letting us all know so we can take a look and then you can say what a lot of Brassgoggly readers you are bringing with you. That might encourage an agent or two??
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2009, 07:22:34 pm »

I think the instinct towards London stems from the Victorian aesthetic... At that time, the two cultural centers of the world were London (military strength) and Paris (fashion).

I will freely admit that I gave into this instinct in my own novel. My two main characters are English, and maintain an estate in the country as well as a house in the city. Fortunately, only perhaps a fourth of the book takes place in England, and only a tiny fraction of that time in London. Most of the time, they're out exploring and hunting treasure, so at least that gives me some diversity points... XD


Also, Rose Streiffe, I feel your pain. The more long and complex the plot is, the harder it is to condense it down into a couple hundred words. Perhaps you could try reverse-engineering it? Write as long a summary as you please, and then start cutting out paragraphs, then sentences. Finally, as Strunk would say, omit needless words. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2009, 11:28:36 pm »

I like to think that England is the capital of technology/most advanced in the Steampunk era while other countries are slightly/vastly behind.Just my two cents.
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