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Author Topic: Istanbul was Constantinople - I have the watch. Updated.  (Read 4299 times)
Captain Lyerly
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« on: February 04, 2009, 06:07:45 am »

It's a Longines, a hunter key-wind pocket watch with white enamel dial, Turkish numerals, seconds subsidiary, the face and cuvette inscribed Longines, German Silver (.800) case, Nacib K. Dzezvedjian & Son, Constantinople on the face, "Naseeb" in old Turkish characters inside on the movement.

Problem - when wound, it will run, for a while.  Stops randomly.  A light shake will get it moving again.  Is this more likely a clean and lube, or just too much wear on the jewels?

Thanks for any help you can provide here.

And remember - now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople, been a long time gone, Constantinople...


Cheers!

Chas.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 09:48:46 am »

Lovely! Many of my favourite pocket watches have been Turkish editions. I especially love the quadruple-cased ones from 1700's...now, where did my stash of millions go?

As for it's problems, it sounds like a clean and lube, however there are many more experienced fellows here to confirm.

And remember, if you've a date in Constantinople, it's in Istanbul, not Constantinople..
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 02:06:12 pm »

Sounds to me like the balance wheel has come, well... unbalanced. A clean-lube-adjust should take care of it.

Wear on the jewels is extremely unlikely.

Pictures are, as always, very welcome. Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 06:51:15 pm »

Clean and lube sounds more like it. If it runs, the balance staff is good, so that's a relief.  Jewels don't wear (at least not measurably).  The problem you typically see with jewels is a crack, typically from a  really bad shock to the watch..

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 08:08:22 pm »

Lovely! Many of my favourite pocket watches have been Turkish editions. I especially love the quadruple-cased ones from 1700's...now, where did my stash of millions go?

As for it's problems, it sounds like a clean and lube, however there are many more experienced fellows here to confirm.

And remember, if you've a date in Constantinople, it's in Istanbul, not Constantinople..

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 04:08:41 am »

All I know is old cheapies (Westclox (carrying a Scotty right now, a clean-and-lube from a junk maller's box of about eight in various conditions of wear, etc.), Waltham, Woolworth no-names  left behind by deceased relatives, but your description does sound like it's just dirty, gummy gears.

Sorry, mainly clicked on this topic because I like the old song (lol). So...Why did Constantinople get the works? *rimshot*

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2009, 04:34:25 am »


Sorry, mainly clicked on this topic because I like the old song (lol). So...Why did Constantinople get the works? *rimshot*


Old song. Oy. That would make me ancient then, it would.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2009, 06:09:37 am »


Sorry, mainly clicked on this topic because I like the old song (lol). So...Why did Constantinople get the works? *rimshot*


Old song. Oy. That would make me ancient then, it would.

well to be fair it -is- just over 55 years old
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2009, 06:21:21 am »

And the tune is even older; Puttin' on the Ritz, written in 1929 Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2009, 02:56:48 pm »

Ah - my mistake. I thought you were just talking about the "They Might be Giant's" cover of it. Smiley

Carry on.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2009, 11:16:59 pm »

Sorry, mainly clicked on this topic because I like the old song (lol). So...Why did Constantinople get the works? *rimshot*

That is, as I understand it, nobody's business but the Turks.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 02:43:00 am »


Sorry, mainly clicked on this topic because I like the old song (lol). So...Why did Constantinople get the works? *rimshot*


Old song. Oy. That would make me ancient then, it would.

Piffle... age is all in your mind.... (and in your knees, elbows, other major joints and varied slightly malfunctioning bits)  Trust me, I know..

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 02:48:09 am »

And the tune is even older; Puttin' on the Ritz, written in 1929 Smiley

That would explain why the earworm keeps mutating back and forth...
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 05:41:29 am »

They Might be Giants?  Hmm... I have an old gramophone disk around here somewhere, an earlier recording of the tune, I suppose.  Seems to have been a private label pressing, I believe the date is 1930, '31... I think I tried to play the newer recording on that shiny little disk, but my gramophone needle kept scratching it, never did get a tune off of it.

Oh, well...



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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2011, 10:25:39 pm »

Update - I got the watch out the other day, and blew out the dust as best I could - a gentle mechanical puffer, not canned air.  Wound it up, set it - lost about 4 minutes in 24 hours, ran no more than about 36.  But it didn't stop during that time.  Very nice.  I have moved the speed adjustment, and will check it again.

I am a bit uncomfortable carrying any of the gold watches, as they are family pieces and with the price of gold these days...

This one is only .800 silver, not even Sterling, but it is enough of a risk to carry it.  And since it only has sentimental value for me, not the rest of the family - I bought it in Sinop, Turkey, in 1987 - I would feel bad about losing it, but it wouldn't be a loss to the family.



Cheers!

Chas.
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2011, 10:49:04 pm »

'tis most likely a piece of dirt in the watch; as it bounces around inside the workings, it'll occasionall get jammed in somewhere tight enough to stop it up.  Bit of a shake gets 'er loose until next time.  But ideally, you want to give it to someone to clean it out proper.  The problem is that while jewels don't usually wear much, the same can't be said for the metal pins that run inside of 'em.  There's supposed to be a tiny drop of oil inside each of the jewels that keeps the pinion from wearing, but that oil dries up and goes away after a while, and then what you have is metal rubbing directly on ruby.  And while that might not seem like a problem, remember that the balance wheel typically goes through 6000 revolutions per hour, which (over the course of a year of use) amounts to 52,560,000 revolutions.  That's a lot of wear.
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 03:28:16 pm »

Thanks very much!

I will have to get it to a good man I know here in town.  There was an older gent who did watches; his grandson now runs an antiques auction place, and I wouldn't trust him with a Timex.

It will just have to go on my list... after about ten thousand other things... oy.

Thanks again!


Chas.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 05:32:21 am »

Two points on your favor; 36 hours is not an uncommon run time for a watch meant to wind daily, and an error of four minutes is likely to vanish in a good cleaning.
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2011, 06:16:43 am »



And remember - now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople, been a long time gone, Constantinople...


OOOOOOOO, OOOO WOOOOooooWOOOOooooWoooo...OOOOWOOOOoooWOOOOoooWOOOooo... Cheesy
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