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Author Topic: Wonderland Demented...  (Read 4124 times)
rococoboy
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« on: February 26, 2007, 12:54:34 pm »

Who has played American McGee's Alice?

It's the only game I've ever played through, and I loved every second. It was very, very steampunk, and very dark as well so I think those of you searching for darksteam will like it very much.
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Clamps
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2007, 02:12:04 pm »

I played it. It was very much as you say. Stylistic and positively sweating a glorious asthetic that played one's mind for a fool.
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Benza
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2007, 03:56:23 pm »

Gorgeous art direction, shame the game was pretty mediocer.
Its the kind of thing I'd prefer to be a movie or something because the game was just boring.

I'm kind of over the whole spooky thing I was going through when I first got the game, would still love an art book of it though. I would love to find some high res copies of the ads they used to run in gaming magazines, they were awsome.
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Cory
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2007, 04:12:14 pm »

I've yet to give it a run because I find that "darkening" fairy tales is some really tricky business that often doesn't turn out well.

At the high end of the scale, the ones that do it right, are films by Tim Burton, the live-action Peter Pan and even Return to Oz... "dark", very stylish, but still keeping the tone and romantic spirit of the fairy tale (and yes, I'm talking about happily ever aftering Victorian fairy tales, not Grimm's house of horrors).

At the low end of the scale, the ones that do it wrong, are Todd McFarlane's toys... Things that just turn these fairy tales into a blood and gore obscenity for no reason except hip cynicism.   

Where would American McGee's Alice fall on that spectrum?
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2007, 04:20:29 pm »

Play it? I own it.  I love that game.
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Benza
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2007, 04:29:58 pm »

At the high end of the scale, the ones that do it right, are films by Tim Burton, the live-action Peter Pan and even Return to Oz... "dark", very stylish, but still keeping the tone and romantic spirit of the fairy tale (and yes, I'm talking about happily ever aftering Victorian fairy tales, not Grimm's house of horrors).

You realise Return to Oz was part of the original Wizard of Oz cannon right? Infact Return to Oz is probbably alot closer to the original books then Wizard of Oz was.

That said American McGee is deffintly on the Todd McFarlane scale of things. (Personly I love my Todd McFarlane wizzard statue, but each to there own I spose)
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 04:32:23 pm »

Its the kind of thing I'd prefer to be a movie or something because the game was just boring.


Ask and ye shall recieve:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_%282007_film%29
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Benza
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 04:39:52 pm »

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I'll beleive it when I see it, that has been around for ever (According to Wiki 7 years) and nothing has happend yet. Cheesy Yeah its safley in development hell.
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rococoboy
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2007, 05:29:53 pm »

At the high end of the scale, the ones that do it right, are films by Tim Burton, the live-action Peter Pan and even Return to Oz... "dark", very stylish, but still keeping the tone and romantic spirit of the fairy tale (and yes, I'm talking about happily ever aftering Victorian fairy tales, not Grimm's house of horrors).

This paragraph is very interesting. The two stories you mention were not, in fact, 'darkened' at all. They merely were adapted in a way that changed very little from the book itself. Victorian tales rarely ended happily ever after, unless you have been reading miss Austen?

American McGee's Alice twisted Wonderland into something very dark, and is not romantic at all (however Wonderland was not always that dark, this much is stated in the introduction). It gives one a sort of Dickensian feeling without all the sentimentality: the darker side of the Victorian era, especially since the game deals with asylums. I personally recommend going through the game with cheats to get from cut scene to cut scene faster. ::giggle::
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2007, 05:33:17 pm »



I have my doubts with the movie.  Sarah Michelle Geller will probably ruin it, as she does so many other things.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2007, 06:24:02 pm »



I have my doubts with the movie.  Sarah Michelle Geller will probably ruin it, as she does so many other things.




Rumor has it that Marilyn Manson was being considered to play the Queen of Hearts
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Cory
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2007, 07:30:48 pm »


You realise Return to Oz was part of the original Wizard of Oz cannon right? Infact Return to Oz is probbably alot closer to the original books then Wizard of Oz was.

That said American McGee is deffintly on the Todd McFarlane scale of things. (Personly I love my Todd McFarlane wizzard statue, but each to there own I spose)

I never said that Return to Oz wasn't part of the original Oz cannon. I was referring to how it is was done.

McFarlane's Wizard figure was about the least offensive of his stupid Oz series. He got under my skin when he did his "Monsters" take on the classic Universal characters and basically just sucked all the charm, Gothiness and metaphysical horror out of them and made them into these stupid gore-hound things. Then along comes the Oz series with Dorothy as some bondage queen, Toto as a slug worm and the Lion ripping his own skin off, and I couldn't help but wonder if there was any kind of point to these except to make the people who bought them think they're X-TREMELY X-TREME and sticking it to some kind of undefined "Man" by being iconoclastic gore-hounds. Oh yeah, and them McFarlane made another X-TREMELY X-TREME series of toys based on historical psychopathic killers, prompting me to ask when his X-TREME renditions of Osama bin Laden and Adolf Hitler will be coming out (lest he be pegged as a total hypocrite).   

Quote from: rococoboy
This paragraph is very interesting. The two stories you mention were not, in fact, 'darkened' at all. They merely were adapted in a way that changed very little from the book itself. Victorian tales rarely ended happily ever after, unless you have been reading miss Austen?

It was a bit of an overstatement that was trying to beat to the punch anyone who wanted to invoke Grimm. As for those two I mentioned, the darkness was in the style and overall tone rather than in "oh look, it has murder and insane asylums, therefore it's 'dark'!" 
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2007, 07:51:29 pm »

To the subject at hand, American McGee's Alice is an interesting "sequel" of sorts to the Lewis Carrol original.

It's supposed to take place a few years after the original book. Alice is in a mental sylum after returning from wonderland (which is an interesting theory... did she actually go insane when she visited it initially?), and is called back to save the land from the Queen and her minions.

It's a bit dated now, but the locales, music, and story are still quite good (this from someone who agrees with your stance on darkening victorian fairy tales). Best of all you can probably buy it for about $10 now.


You realise Return to Oz was part of the original Wizard of Oz cannon right? Infact Return to Oz is probbably alot closer to the original books then Wizard of Oz was.

That said American McGee is deffintly on the Todd McFarlane scale of things. (Personly I love my Todd McFarlane wizzard statue, but each to there own I spose)

I never said that Return to Oz wasn't part of the original Oz cannon. I was referring to how it is was done.

McFarlane's Wizard figure was about the least offensive of his stupid Oz series. He got under my skin when he did his "Monsters" take on the classic Universal characters and basically just sucked all the charm, Gothiness and metaphysical horror out of them and made them into these stupid gore-hound things. Then along comes the Oz series with Dorothy as some bondage queen, Toto as a slug worm and the Lion ripping his own skin off, and I couldn't help but wonder if there was any kind of point to these except to make the people who bought them think they're X-TREMELY X-TREME and sticking it to some kind of undefined "Man" by being iconoclastic gore-hounds. Oh yeah, and them McFarlane made another X-TREMELY X-TREME series of toys based on historical psychopathic killers, prompting me to ask when his X-TREME renditions of Osama bin Laden and Adolf Hitler will be coming out (lest he be pegged as a total hypocrite).   

Quote from: rococoboy
This paragraph is very interesting. The two stories you mention were not, in fact, 'darkened' at all. They merely were adapted in a way that changed very little from the book itself. Victorian tales rarely ended happily ever after, unless you have been reading miss Austen?

It was a bit of an overstatement that was trying to beat to the punch anyone who wanted to invoke Grimm. As for those two I mentioned, the darkness was in the style and overall tone rather than in "oh look, it has murder and insane asylums, therefore it's 'dark'!" 
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2007, 08:24:06 pm »

American McGees' Alice is a very wonderful game indeed. Although I wouldn't describe it as directly steampunk it certainly has a lot of the elements in some chapters of the game.
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Benza
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2007, 03:42:44 pm »

McFarlane's Wizard figure was about the least offensive of his stupid Oz series. He got under my skin when he did his "Monsters" take on the classic Universal characters and basically just sucked all the charm, Gothiness and metaphysical horror out of them and made them into these stupid gore-hound things. Then along comes the Oz series with Dorothy as some bondage queen, Toto as a slug worm and the Lion ripping his own skin off, and I couldn't help but wonder if there was any kind of point to these except to make the people who bought them think they're X-TREMELY X-TREME and sticking it to some kind of undefined "Man" by being iconoclastic gore-hounds. Oh yeah, and them McFarlane made another X-TREMELY X-TREME series of toys based on historical psychopathic killers, prompting me to ask when his X-TREME renditions of Osama bin Laden and Adolf Hitler will be coming out (lest he be pegged as a total hypocrite).   

Of course they are X-TREME! Its Todd McFarlane, this guy defined 90's comic books for gods sake (Well him and Rob Liefield, but the less said about him the better) He was one of the co-founders of Image Comicbooks, a company wich was famous for being style over substance. This is a guy that invented a bizzare super natural cape that could shapeshift, just so he could draw dramatic spash pages of Spawn sitting on a cathedral rofftop with his cape that was half the size of Tasmania flapping in the wind. I mean the dude did cover art for KoRn... He is the verry eppitome of X-TREME! HOLY SHIT THAT DUDES INTESTINES JUST CAME OUT OF HIS EYES! X-TREME! And thats exactly why its awsome.

(Oh yeah there was also a story in the back of the figures that explained what was going on, but the story sucked and no one cared)
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2007, 02:39:09 am »

I always wished they would make a dark wizard of oz...
The scarecrow would be a zombie.
And here is his song, sung to the scarecrow's," If i only had a brain"

I have a brainless diet, of hearts and spleens (I fry it)
But I am such in pain...
I delight in the mushy
I'd be eati'n something squishy
if i only had a brain...


I'll stop now. Sorry..
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