From Planet to Planet with my Celestial Sphere! FINISHED PICTURES PAGE 5!

[Herr Döktor]

http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/

Great idea - put your original and the blatant rip off up here Dok!

http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/

Why don't you post the Great Spaceship Ripoff on this site?

Done, and Done; just waiting for my post to be approved!

[Eddie Chaos]

We are all behind you Herr Döktor, to victory and beyond (wherever that lead us)


what is beyond victory?

-Chaos-

[Dusza Beben]

http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/

Great idea - put your original and the blatant rip off up here Dok!

http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/

Why don't you post the Great Spaceship Ripoff on this site?

Done, and Done; just waiting for my post to be approved!

Give those rapscallions what-for Dök!

DB

[Voltin]

I hope they get what they deserve.

Maybe you should build a real one and blast them off into space never to return again  

Oh and make sure you create the interior as they had. Dull and unimaginative.

And last but not least, Excellent work Herr Doktor. As always.

[maduncle]

Hmmm - interesting...

When I now go to http://www.miryestore.com/product.php?productid=16427 to continue to lodge my dissatisfaction, the rating option seems to have been removed.

Are we having an effect yet?

(The rip off is still for sale).

[TimeTinker]

The company in question have now entered into meaningful negotiation with Herr Doktor who has requested we now hold off from contacting them for the moment.

It certainly does look like we have had an effect.

[Dr cornelius quack]

Good! Looks like a civilised outcome is in the offing.

Well done. One and all.

[Arvis]

 Oh to have been a "fly on the wall" when they discovered their folly! I would really like to know what they said about us when the letters started pouring in!

Arvis

[Capt. Dirigible]

The company in question have now entered into meaningful negotiation with Herr Doktor who has requested we now hold off from contacting them for the moment.

It certainly does look like we have had an effect.

..and there was much rejoicing.

Yaaaay!

[maduncle]

Hmmm...

A Unionised Steampunk Movement aimed at protecting the artistic rights of our members... (no - not those members)

What would we be called?

[Herr Döktor]

United Artists- no, already taken; Artists United- too obvious; Artists Empire?

[Utini420]

Maybe we could somehow bastardize the name of the East India company?

[Arvis]

Maybe we could somehow bastardize the name of the East India company?

 Beast India Company? (we got yer number)

[Mr Peter Harrow, Esq]

Untied Artists is too close to Sir Terry for comfort, what about United Artisans? Funnily this was one of the reasons United Artists came into being to protect the Artists intellectual property from the Studio System.

Seriously this does have the capacity to impede future disclosures of copyright material on the Forum, which would make the Forum that much poorer. However I would not like to see this become too rigid, the Forum straddles too many jurisdictions for that, and in certain respects UK Intellectual Property Law is starting to diverge from that of other jurisdictions. The problem is the Law has not caught up with the technology. In the UK the principal legislation hit the statute books in 1988, but was largely framed in the preceding 5 years. This is largely pre-internet and the slew of innovations  following on from it. New legislation is forthcoming, but that has its own problems. This has left it to the common law to fill in the gaps and this is wherecthe divergence starts.

[Utini420]

OK, I'm trying really, really hard to be a good boy here, and you do fine work Doc and its a shame some get ripped you off, but I'm having a really hard time biting my tongue. 

The problem is not that, "the Law has not caught up with the technology."  The problem is that the law has been subverted by large content rights holders (Disney, this is why I hate you) who do not give a damn for the original intent of copyright, nor the rights and interests of consumers, nor even the rights of actual creaters like Herr Döktor.  I'm glad that it seems he's able to make use of the law to get un-ripped off, but in the US and UK intellectual property law is one step away from the very bottom of off the deep end.

OK, I'm NOT going off on a rant here, nor do I hope anyone is going to construe my comments as a fancy version of "I should be able to download all the music I want for free."  Just had to get a little something off my chest, is all.

[Mr Peter Harrow, Esq]

OK, I'm trying really, really hard to be a good boy here, and you do fine work Doc and its a shame some get ripped you off, but I'm having a really hard time biting my tongue. 

The problem is not that, "the Law has not caught up with the technology."  The problem is that the law has been subverted by large content rights holders (Disney, this is why I hate you) who do not give a damn for the original intent of copyright, nor the rights and interests of consumers, nor even the rights of actual creaters like Herr Döktor.  I'm glad that it seems he's able to make use of the law to get un-ripped off, but in the US and UK intellectual property law is one step away from the very bottom of off the deep end.

OK, I'm NOT going off on a rant here, nor do I hope anyone is going to construe my comments as a fancy version of "I should be able to download all the music I want for free."  Just had to get a little something off my chest, is all.

just one step?, you are obviously not familiar with UK Privacy and Defamation Laws, they make Copyright appear positively non-restrictive by comparison. As I believe I have said to you in the past, an employees copyright works is unless otherwise stated in the contract of employment are actually the employers copyright, and depending on the contract may include works generated in your own time.

I myself simply do not believe in free Internet content unless the copyright holder is willing to release it for free. Otherwise I have too much respect not to pay for it and benefit the copyright holder. Just because a copyright holder may be a corporation I might find repugnant, does not change this and there are valid arguments. News International are going to remove free access to their websites because it is destroying the trade of print journalists, they are right to do so in my opinion, otherwise investigative journalism will be lost to the blogger, a poor exchange. If you defend Herr Doktor's rights then you have to defend Disney, News International, J.K Rowling  etc as well or face the possibilty of being a hypocrite. I am not name calling anyone, it is merely an unpalatable truth that rights apply even to those you think do not deserve them, or who missuse them within the extent of the law.

[Utini420]

If you defend Herr Doktor's rights then you have to defend Disney, News International, J.K Rowling  etc as well or face the possibilty of being a hypocrite. I am not name calling anyone, it is merely an unpalatable truth that rights apply even to those you think do not deserve them, or who missuse them within the extent of the law.

I really don't want to get into this debate, and certainly not here, but I will respond briefly to this.

1. Corporations are not people, though they have been legally granted this status.  In that context, copyright as currently applied is but one of many rights I'd see them stripped of.  There is no hypocrisy here, I simply reject the notion that corporations should be treated like people.

2. If it was up to me, ALL intellectual property, under any circumstances, would revert to the public domain after a period of time, something on the order of 10 years or so from the time of publication.  There's no justification for things like, say, JRR Tolkien's grand kids continuing to milk grandpa's efforts.  Similarly, at this point Micky Mouse should be an American cultural icon, open to be used by all for whatever artistic purposes they desire.  Disney can still make movies about him, and I could include him in, say, an anti-war protest piece.  

3. Just for fun, I'll include the notion that I believe (again, just a philosophical point) that any previously published work out of print for longer than 6 months should loose its copyrighted status and revert immediately to the public domain.  This has nothing to do with the current issues of Herr Doktor, just letting you know where I'm coming from.

You'll note, I hope, how nothing up there attempts to justify stealing anything or getting anything for free (except when otherwise unavailable)?  

And, assuming Herr Doktor somehow published his model space ship (in an indepent film, perhaps) in "something on the order of 10 years" time from its release date (that time frame would, of course, need to be codified into law and firmed up a bit, but NOTHING like the insane 80 years from the death of the created currently enforced) I would welcome another artist to copy his design for inclusion in something else, a video game perhaps.

I'll simply add that the main reason I said anything at all was that the bugaboo of "technology has messed up copyright" was bandied about in regard to Herr Doktor's work.  Its a straw man: the fact that the infringing person used a computer is irrelevant to the fact that they obviously copied the Doc's work: it would be just as infringed if they'd done it in pencil on paper and sold it in a shop.  This point is the only reason I spoke up at all.

[gmjhowe]

Well done Herr Dökter, that is a most excellent ship. I had never thought of making a scale model of a ship.. it is now added to the long list of things I want to make.

Keep up the good work.

[Mr Addams]

Seriously this does have the capacity to impede future disclosures of copyright material on the Forum, which would make the Forum that much poorer. However I would not like to see this become too rigid, the Forum straddles too many jurisdictions for that, and in certain respects UK Intellectual Property Law is starting to diverge from that of other jurisdictions.

On the other hand, because all posts are dated, posting on a forum like this does fix a date for the design. Probably not legally conclusive, but better than nothing.


By the way, I just showed the two pictures of Herr Doctors model, and the 3D rip off. Her response was "That's disgusting". An inditement of the rip off, not Herr Doktor's design I hasten to add.

[Hikaro Takayama]

Utini: I quite agree... I also think that copyrights should have the same time limits that patents do, instead of the current ridiculousness (especially the utter bull crap that is still, IMO, properly referred to as the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act.")

[Mr Peter Harrow, Esq]

Take everything you have owned for more than 10 years and just give it away, that may change your perspective, intellectual property IS property, and copyright already gives this less protection than real property or chattels, which can be owned in perpetuity and passed on indefinitely. On that basis the time limitation of copyright looks positively mean.

[Hikaro Takayama]

Take everything you have owned for more than 10 years and just give it away, that may change your perspective, intellectual property IS property, and copyright already gives this less protection than real property or chattels, which can be owned in perpetuity and passed on indefinitely. On that basis the time limitation of copyright looks positively mean.

Well, that's basically how patents work.... You've got 7 years to milk your design for all it's worth, then you have to deal with competition....  Besides, I release ALL my designs under the open-source license, which basically means "share and share alike," but I tend to be somewhat of a communist in that regard....

[The Inventor]

It's good to hear something is being done for Our Herr Doktor !

And to think people like that, IP thieves were in my own back yard...
( Don't think too harshly on Oregon! Most of us are good eggs. )

I hope they fix this with him and he's satisfied with the results.

[Mr. Hatchett]

Here's the thing about Mickey Mouse, though: he's a cultural icon, but he's also a corporate spokesperson (after a fashion, since he's not a real person).  Disney used his face as corporate identity for decades, and the character has served in a capacity that is part logo, part spokesman, part brand identity.

I really hate Disney, but if you identify yourself as a member of a consumer culture, you're going to have to get right with the fact that one of your cultural icons is owned by someone who can deny you the right to use it.

[Hikaro Takayama]

Here's the thing about Mickey Mouse, though: he's a cultural icon, but he's also a corporate spokesperson (after a fashion, since he's not a real person).  Disney used his face as corporate identity for decades, and the character has served in a capacity that is part logo, part spokesman, part brand identity.

I really hate Disney, but if you identify yourself as a member of a consumer culture, you're going to have to get right with the fact that one of your cultural icons is owned by someone who can deny you the right to use it.

That's the thing... I DON'T identify as a member of a consumer culture... Hell, I can hardly think of a culture LESS consumerist than the Pennsylvania Dutch (Amish, Mennonites, etc)... The closest thing I can come up with to describe us would be "Free-Market Socialists".... (Which, although it sounds like an oxymoron, is the only way I can think of to describe those who practice a sort of "best of both worlds" approach to combining capitalism and communism, I.e. take the good parts from both and try to eliminate the bad parts)...

My main thing about the 10-year limit (like patents) was mostly directed at CORPORATE copyrights... I'm fine with INDIVIDUALS to be able to hold a copyright for longer (not to mention hold patents for longer).... If nothing else, it will help break the big, mega-corporation's stranglehold on the global economy...

Granted, there will have to be a separate set of regulations to handle trademarks, so you can't have people claiming to be a company they're not, but books, music, software, etc, IMO, belong to the masses, after a set time limit, of course....