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Question: Space travel possible in the Mid- to late- 19th century?
Yes, definately, should have started then. - 9 (42.9%)
Huh? What do you mean? - 1 (4.8%)
I don't know, dpepends whether the tech could have been made to work. - 5 (23.8%)
No way, it would have been suicide. - 5 (23.8%)
I want my Mummy! Fine. Imhotep, take care of this person, will you? - 1 (4.8%)
Total Voters: 21

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« on: August 18, 2008, 05:28:56 pm »

Hello, fellow Aethernet users. As should be obvious, I like space travel. And Steampunk, and have since two nights ago.

So, what do you think of Victorian-era space travel? Take a look at this, and remember we had blimps, and electricity as well thanks to Faraday (my favourite scientist of History). We also had valves and pressurized tanks, as evidenced by the steam engine.

I'm hoping to build myself a wid-up trike, as it would allow me to circumvent the legal restictions of driving underage. But that's another story, and it's Clockpunk.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 06:07:47 pm »

Knowing than the concept of space rocket was first theorised in the 19th century by a dude named Tcheckovsky (or something like that),yup.


It also the mythic civil war's long range rocket to take to account even if the mythbuster have proof that false ( i begin to be suspicious about their impartiality in this kind of thing though)
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 07:13:45 pm »

Maybe it could have been possible... diving suits, for instance, have to contend with the same problems as space suits, except in water, submarines ditto, and both of those were pioneered and made to work in the 19th Century. 

Obviously I'm not saying it would be a simple matter of building a better diving suit and submarine, but as the technology for surviving underwater and the technology for surviving in space are very similar perhaps with the will and wherewithall the submarine technology could have been adapted.   
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 07:37:03 pm »

As for the JP Aerospace idea in the 19th century,

The solar cell was invented in 1883, but it had a 1% conversion rate. Using a Vacuum blimp would have been practical, my idea would be to use a light metal frame (probably hollow tubes) and somekind of metal foil. The Wikipedia article for Brass (that famous metal) says it's melting point is around 900 c, so that could work, although other alloys available would have been better.

Alcohol powered rockets would be a must, as it's easy to store (always important), although Hydrocarbons may have been available which would ahve been better. I don't know what kind of Oxidiser would have been used. Possibly a strong Acid/Alkali reaction?

For the gondola, the best Alloy available would be used, or possibly even organic material, maybe even wood. A layer of rubber would help to protect it against small debris. Hydraulics would be used to control the rockets, as they have better response than pnuematics. Somekind of Telegraph system could be installed for communication, and possibly be the reason it's going into space (ComSat). The cokpit would have a small glass windo. It constricts viewing. I know, but would mean only a small amount of high strength glass would be needed.

For going outside, I'd use a MechanicalCounterPressure. Such a suit removes the complexity inherent in pressurized suits. Helmets would probably be the same as those in a diving suit.

Re-entry shouldn't be voilant, so the craft doesn't need a special thermal protection system, the outer skin should do fine.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2008, 08:08:28 pm »


BUT the biggest question is WHY!

*Puts on Devils advocate hat*

The cold war and innovations from WWII gave the impetus to the 60's space race. What would be the proven, profitable reasonable purpose of such a huge use of resources?

Alien invasion?
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2008, 08:36:27 pm »

Exploration? Excitement triggered by the likes of Jules Verne and H.G.Wells? The British Empire wanting to expand? But those wouldn't have done it as they didn't.

I don't know. The question was could we, not why would we have wanted to. We didn't want to which is why we're still on Earth.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2008, 08:37:54 pm »

I guess we could have...
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 11:09:47 pm »


Would it have been portrayed like this though:-


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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2008, 11:18:33 pm »

No, I don't think so  Smiley Cheesy Grin Cool
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2008, 12:23:36 am »

Hm not sure if the materials science of the day was up to the job, though the inventiveness was, I'd say.

In any case, welcome to the forum, Mr. Space Pilot.  Grin

neon_suntan, nice silly video!  Very funny. Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2008, 12:52:17 am »

Wasn't Space Travel invented in the 19th century by Mr Verne?
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2008, 03:06:55 am »

I'm surprised nobody has linked this yet:

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