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Oooo, Fyral, yeah, that wasn't the wisest decision.
I see why you did it, of course, but there's an important thing to remember:
A weapon isn't used to scare.
A weapon is used to harm and kill.
Don't aim a gun at anything you don't intend to shoot.
Don't pull a knife if you don't intend to shank someone.
Pull a weapon and you've automatically increased the tension considerably.
Your antagonist thinks you're gonna try to kill them, and will respond appropriately.
This is one big reason women's self defense classes always tell them to get mace or something rather than carry a blade. They say: "You're attacker will take the blade away and use it against you".
I've always hated that...
but it's because women are more likely to pull out a blade and 'threaten' with it. Yeah, bad idea. There's very little chance an attacker is gonna take it from you if you pull it out and put the pointy end in them a few times before they see you have a blade, regardless of size strength or gender.. It's about intent.
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« Reply #1651 on: March 12, 2010, 07:31:45 pm » |
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oh I know that, the knife was pulled as a response to their attacks and their threats on my life, I was more than willing to use it on them. hell one of the guys lost an arm due to that fight (he was a crack head with a record and didn't keep the gash I gave him clean, by the time he went to the hospital amputation was the only option) when I said "hoping to scare them off" I was meaning that I was hoping the threat of escalated violence would back them off. I lost due to 1) being severely outnumbered 2) being quite drunk which never helps and 3) having my ex-fiancee there which took my brain miles and miles away of where it should have been.
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« Reply #1652 on: March 12, 2010, 08:44:53 pm » |
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Ah, I misunderstood.
Although perhaps it didn't work out how you hoped, I still give you big props for defending yourself, kinsman.
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« Reply #1653 on: March 12, 2010, 09:07:51 pm » |
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Fuck 'em up, bro. Sorry for how it played out, but you know what they say, better judged by 12 than carried by 6 (though it sounds a bit like you could have gone either way).
A good friend of a good friend recently got out of prison on man slaughter charges. He won his fight, but the cops couldn't find the other guy's blade, so he did the time.
It freakin' sickens me that society makes criminals of victims in situations like this.
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« Reply #1654 on: March 12, 2010, 11:07:56 pm » |
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This is one big reason women's self defense classes always tell them to get mace or something rather than carry a blade. They say: "You're attacker will take the blade away and use it against you".
I've always hated that...
but it's because women are more likely to pull out a blade and 'threaten' with it. Yeah, bad idea. There's very little chance an attacker is gonna take it from you if you pull it out and put the pointy end in them a few times before they see you have a blade, regardless of size strength or gender.. It's about intent.
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« Reply #1655 on: March 12, 2010, 11:37:02 pm » |
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the explanation that someone attacking you is serious, you're just scared.
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« Reply #1656 on: March 13, 2010, 03:16:01 am » |
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I always told my students, particularly the females, if you are attacked, respond in a way, and with the attitude, that you intend to kill your attacker. The human body is pretty resilient. If you seriously try to kill, you will probably succeed in seriously injuring and disabling your attacker. If you go into it with the intention to disarm or disable, you will probably lose, and maybe die.
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« Reply #1657 on: March 13, 2010, 03:28:30 am » |
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I'll have to keep that in mind, Major. Up until this point, I've only had the mindset to disable for long enough for an escape, but it seems like a much better idea to go into it with the idea that I may have to kill my attacker in order to survive.
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« Reply #1658 on: March 13, 2010, 07:36:19 am » |
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I always told my students, particularly the females, if you are attacked, respond in a way, and with the attitude, that you intend to kill your attacker. The human body is pretty resilient. If you seriously try to kill, you will probably succeed in seriously injuring and disabling your attacker. If you go into it with the intention to disarm or disable, you will probably lose, and maybe die.
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This is why I prefer a sjambok (despite its political connotations, it's quite useful), unbreakable umbrella, or sturdy cane. As long as you don't aim for the head, you can fight without restraint, and have a very good chance of disabling your opponent rather than killing him. And, as always, strike for the shoulder and hip; but at all costs remember that the only way to truly win a fight is to avoid it in the first place. That said, once you start to fight, be sure to finish it -- or your assailant will finish it for you. |
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« Reply #1659 on: March 13, 2010, 03:03:07 pm » |
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This thread never ceases to amaze and disturb me with the sheer number of people talking about "attackers" and having to defend themselves. :S Clearly I live a sheltered life, because the last time heckling developed into violence I was in primary school. Frightening stuff.
In other news, the scene kids down the local village centre were trying to read my hat today - I have a card stuck in the band reading "In this style: 10/6". That was quite amusing.
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« Reply #1660 on: March 13, 2010, 10:02:52 pm » |
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Fyral, i'm sorry to hear what happened but understand. I live in Montana, where half the adult population has a gun on them at any time so violence is pretty much unknown here...and we have self defense laws protecting the victims not the attackers.
Everyone has the RIGHT to live free of violence and to use whatever methods (including lethal force) to protect themselves. I have only needed to pull a firearm once in my 39yrs, (a guy tried to break into my store after midnight) and it scared the intruder enough to flee. If he did not flee though, I would have shot him.
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« Reply #1661 on: March 18, 2010, 03:52:44 am » |
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A good friend of a good friend recently got out of prison on man slaughter charges. He won his fight, but the cops couldn't find the other guy's blade, so he did the time.
It freakin' sickens me that society makes criminals of victims in situations like this.
Try living in the UK. Over here, you can potentially get sent down for two years just for threatening a burglar in your own home, if the burglar says they felt their life was being threatened. There is more or less no legal recognition of the concept of self-defence in this country. |
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« Reply #1662 on: March 18, 2010, 10:47:45 pm » |
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A good friend of a good friend recently got out of prison on man slaughter charges. He won his fight, but the cops couldn't find the other guy's blade, so he did the time.
It freakin' sickens me that society makes criminals of victims in situations like this.
Try living in the UK. Over here, you can potentially get sent down for two years just for threatening a burglar in your own home, if the burglar says they felt their life was being threatened. There is more or less no legal recognition of the concept of self-defence in this country. Indeed. I believe that the correct course of action in such a situation for the UK homeowner is as follows: One may exhibit mild surprise at finding a stranger in one's house, but no more than one might if for example the Vicar arrived unexpectedly for tea. It is preferable to compliment your "Visitor" on any efforts he or she has made to dress for the occasion, and maybe offer to donate to them any accessories or jewellery that they indicate they find desirable either in your domicile or about your person. It is good manners to offer to supply adequate portmanteaux or other luggage to facilitate the transport of said desirable items on their departure. A guided tour of your home, paying particular attention to the quality and function of your electronic gadgetry is desirable, and if possible please do supply the correct remote controls, instruction leaflets and Guarantee certificates so that your donated items may be more easily enjoyed / disposed of. Given the stress incurred by a visit of this nature, one might offer a refreshing beverage or light snack, and then possibly enquire if any medication is required, for example to relieve a tension headache. It is also considered polite to express sympathy for the adverse life events which have obviously precipitated this visit, offer to obtain some remedial counselling, and bolster teh frragile self-esteem of your guest with some compliments on the way they have deported themselves in your company. Finally, it is good manners to offer your guest transport, so please be prepared to hand over one's motor carriage keys gracefully when the visit reaches its natural conclusion. Asking the guest to sign one's guest book may not be appropriate at this stage, and enquiring where one may send an invitation to ones next open house may be met with some bewilderment. Once the guest is in the grounds, then, and only then, is it advisable to let loose the hounds and instruct the Butler to load the shotgun. |
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« Reply #1663 on: March 18, 2010, 11:48:48 pm » |
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A possibly better option is to wander into the room where the burglar is, glass of scotch in hand, pretend to be extremely drunk and start off by saying "oh, you must be Mike's friend...", act as if you were expecting him all along, and insist on sharing a drink or nine with him. Chances are, he'll be so confused he'll make his excuses and leave.
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« Reply #1664 on: March 19, 2010, 12:32:14 am » |
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A good friend of a good friend recently got out of prison on man slaughter charges. He won his fight, but the cops couldn't find the other guy's blade, so he did the time.
It freakin' sickens me that society makes criminals of victims in situations like this.
Try living in the UK. Over here, you can potentially get sent down for two years just for threatening a burglar in your own home, if the burglar says they felt their life was being threatened. There is more or less no legal recognition of the concept of self-defence in this country. Indeed. I believe that the correct course of action in such a situation for the UK homeowner is as follows: One may exhibit mild surprise at finding a stranger in one's house, but no more than one might if for example the Vicar arrived unexpectedly for tea. It is preferable to compliment your "Visitor" on any efforts he or she has made to dress for the occasion, and maybe offer to donate to them any accessories or jewellery that they indicate they find desirable either in your domicile or about your person. It is good manners to offer to supply adequate portmanteaux or other luggage to facilitate the transport of said desirable items on their departure. A guided tour of your home, paying particular attention to the quality and function of your electronic gadgetry is desirable, and if possible please do supply the correct remote controls, instruction leaflets and Guarantee certificates so that your donated items may be more easily enjoyed / disposed of. Given the stress incurred by a visit of this nature, one might offer a refreshing beverage or light snack, and then possibly enquire if any medication is required, for example to relieve a tension headache. It is also considered polite to express sympathy for the adverse life events which have obviously precipitated this visit, offer to obtain some remedial counselling, and bolster teh frragile self-esteem of your guest with some compliments on the way they have deported themselves in your company. Finally, it is good manners to offer your guest transport, so please be prepared to hand over one's motor carriage keys gracefully when the visit reaches its natural conclusion. Asking the guest to sign one's guest book may not be appropriate at this stage, and enquiring where one may send an invitation to ones next open house may be met with some bewilderment. Once the guest is in the grounds, then, and only then, is it advisable to let loose the hounds and instruct the Butler to load the shotgun. Makes me glad as hell that all I have to do is shoot him! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for peacefull resolution. But I'm also for the saftey of my family and myself. I have to assume that if some one decides to enter my locked home after dark with out knocking at the door or calling ahead, then that they must have "less than honorable" intentions. And possibly mean to do my home and family harm. Since the intruder has failed to take the responsibility of proper comunication, it has become my responsibility to react to the situation using the information at hand. (unknown induvidual is in my house with myself and my loved ones compleatly uninvited, possibly meaning to do harm to afore mentioned occupants) I shoot him. Now had he knocked at my door, or called ahead of time and had just done some heavy breathing I would have known that something was amiss and could have called the police ahead of time and he would have saved himeslf the inconvenience of being dead. (no, I ain't aiming for his shoulder or leg, I'm a lousy shot and will aim for the middle so's I don't miss) Tell you what, send you intruders over to the U.S.(us) and see how they like "new rules". Arvis |
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« Reply #1665 on: March 19, 2010, 07:05:12 am » |
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Right. So we now know how to deal with unwanted intruders and knife-weilding lowlifes one might encounter in a dark alley - but what about those goddam HECKLERS? - which is what this thread is supposed to be about.
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« Reply #1666 on: March 19, 2010, 08:49:07 am » |
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Right. So we now know how to deal with unwanted intruders and knife-weilding lowlifes one might encounter in a dark alley - but what about those goddam HECKLERS? - which is what this thread is supposed to be about.
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« Reply #1667 on: March 19, 2010, 01:26:09 pm » |
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« Reply #1668 on: March 19, 2010, 01:32:27 pm » |
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A possibly better option is to wander into the room where the burglar is, glass of scotch in hand, pretend to be extremely drunk and start off by saying "oh, you must be Mike's friend...", act as if you were expecting him all along, and insist on sharing a drink or nine with him. Chances are, he'll be so confused he'll make his excuses and leave.
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« Reply #1669 on: March 19, 2010, 05:49:14 pm » |
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I know, damn hecklers, why can't they just have the common decency to break into my house where I will actually get into less trouble for killing them outright than I would for say... pinning them down and calling the cops.
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« Reply #1670 on: March 21, 2010, 01:42:54 am » |
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I don't have the face that gets heckled. I had to tell some older European gentleman that no, I was not legal age and yes, he would get arrested if I went to that bar with him and let him buy me a drink, but that was Halloween... I carry a knife once in a blue moon. And forget threatening. If I get physically attacked, the last thing I'm gonna do is let the bloke know I have the knife before it's well inside him someplace. I have a reasonable idea of where various tendons are located and what blade against bone acts like. I'm a girl, so I'm more likely to be mugged or robbed than outright challenged with a weapon. Since I carry plastic, I'd probably just hand over the wallet and call the bank a minute later- no damage done on either side. A hassle to reapply for everything, but it would beat the trouble of refusing and getting myself whipped for it. But grabbed? Eh, no thanks. If elbows and screams don't work, it's pointy objects. I'm pretty confident in my close-contact fighting ability. I can't throw a punch worth much, but I can throw weight and I'm not above biting  I have yet to work a small (two inch at most) blade into the structure of my belt or coat sleeve, but it'll go someplace out of sight but easily accessible if partially pinned by an attacker. Most people in my area won't heckle over a costume. They just ignore you, because being seen interacting with someone outside their own subculture looks foolish, and hey. This is Seattle. Half the population is wearing something silly. |
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« Reply #1671 on: March 21, 2010, 05:18:23 am » |
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I never even got heckled when I did the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I admit, I've never gone full Steampunk - since I don't have a costume that is really "steampunk" (working on that in the future). However, everyone just seems to think our Victorian costumes are adorable and dandy.
I don't know why I haven't gotten much "crap" from people - I would have thought that the same baby-face (my face looks about one and a half times as well-fed as the rest of me) that makes adults think I'm just the cutest thing ever would attract disparaging comments - but I guess I've been lucky.
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« Reply #1672 on: March 21, 2010, 07:27:09 pm » |
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So I've obviously been leading a sheltered lifestyle, but then again I have yet to go Steampunk anywhere. However this thread still makes me a little frightened at the fact I'll be shipping off to college in the fall... Especially when I finally DO go Steampunk. But people in my area tend to be a little more peaceable about being different. I have a feeling I'd get weird looks but also a lot of compliments. I mean, my friends and I trudged down a known 'whore street' during the evening in strange getups (me in a corset, short skirt, and sparkly heels all for the sake of my friend wanting to take 'fashion' pictures) and weren't heckled. Sure we got some weird looks (a cop was staring) but we were fine, then again we were a group of five.
But I suppose if I start going Steampunk I should carry a cane (I'm a fencer, I know how to handle a stick) or work on my throwing of punches.
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« Reply #1673 on: March 21, 2010, 08:23:41 pm » |
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ah, yes, mere heckling
Perhaps the answer is to confound said heckler with confusion and obfuscation?
I have never in my life seen anything quite so intimidating and effective as a diminutive Chinese Lady Shopkeeper screaming in Cantonese at some huge miscreant and chasing them down the sidewalk with nothing more lethal than a fan or a ladle.
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