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Author Topic: Is Steampunk Becoming Too Mainstream?  (Read 48154 times)
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« Reply #275 on: October 14, 2015, 01:38:53 pm »

what if we make steampunk so mainstream it becomes the social norm and we celebrate the industrial renaissance?
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« Reply #276 on: October 14, 2015, 03:59:55 pm »

*Raises hand*

I'll say this much for the mainstream appropriation of steampunk: it's awesome to have sewing patterns readily available for victorian-style coats and clothing in the 'costumes' section of patterns books, and I wish there were more.

Absolutely fair, instead of bolstering our own psyches we probably should be thinking; Today there are pattens and shops full of steamy wares to be had. Next season there will be second hand shops full of much the same. For if one wishes to rebel against the constant churning of opinion, fashion and popular worth, then all anyone has to do is simply stand still. For the world moves with such speed; that running is mandatory in order to avoid pariahdom.  
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« Reply #277 on: October 14, 2015, 06:16:50 pm »

*Raises hand*

I'll say this much for the mainstream appropriation of steampunk: it's awesome to have sewing patterns readily available for victorian-style coats and clothing in the 'costumes' section of patterns books, and I wish there were more.

Hear hear!!

I rather like the idea of paying second hand prices next year too; I doubt if my tastes will have changed so I am quite content to take advantage of the fact that others want to follow fashion while I go my own way.
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« Reply #278 on: October 18, 2015, 10:33:19 pm »

I've just watched a few episodes of "Steampunk'd" a reality competition show. This means the movement has hit the mainstream and hit bottom. You can buy readymade garb in catalogs (top hats with goggles already attached) and you don't need to recycle old clockwork into jewelry- you can buy pre-antiqued gears to do it.
Its a lot like the Victorian craze of a couple decades back- it has spread everywhere and gotten tacky, but things will simmer down and then only the true believers will carry the torch.
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« Reply #279 on: October 21, 2015, 12:16:51 pm »

^Check out the GSN Steampunked thread, that's what it is about.
and...what 'victorian craze'?
You mean that which is celebrated right here?!?
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« Reply #280 on: October 21, 2015, 05:00:40 pm »

As I still have to explain 'steampunk' to most people, I don't think we are that mainstream yet.  In fact sometimes it helps to have a handy example which is more mainstream just to start the explanation rolling even if it's just of the 'stick a cog on it' variety; at least it opens the way for a, hopefully, better one from me (although the phrase 'Victorian retro-futurism' tends to cause a bit of confusion!)
I sometimes think it would be nice to have a readily understandable sentence that encapsulates what is steampunk but given its scope and variety I suspect you would need a book - or maybe several volumes!
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« Reply #281 on: October 21, 2015, 05:03:22 pm »

As I still have to explain 'steampunk' to most people, I don't think we are that mainstream yet. 
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My teachers started to notice my hat and now I have to explain it almost daily.
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« Reply #282 on: October 21, 2015, 05:09:29 pm »

And a very nice hat it is too.
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« Reply #283 on: October 22, 2015, 05:22:22 am »

I've just watched a few episodes of "Steampunk'd" a reality competition show. This means the movement has hit the mainstream and hit bottom. You can buy readymade garb in catalogs (top hats with goggles already attached) and you don't need to recycle old clockwork into jewelry- you can buy pre-antiqued gears to do it.
Its a lot like the Victorian craze of a couple decades back- it has spread everywhere and gotten tacky, but things will simmer down and then only the true believers will carry the torch.

 has steampunk  officially jumped the kraken ? Wink
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« Reply #284 on: October 22, 2015, 01:09:45 pm »

I hope not, building the ramp alone would be a Herculean undertaking (and the little buggers never sit still).
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« Reply #285 on: October 22, 2015, 08:50:23 pm »

I sometimes think it would be nice to have a readily understandable sentence that encapsulates what is steampunk but given its scope and variety I suspect you would need a book - or maybe several volumes!
Steampunk has thus far defeated several attempts by our own membership to reduce it to even a single paragraph.
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« Reply #286 on: October 22, 2015, 08:56:05 pm »

Steampunk has thus far defeated several attempts by our own membership to reduce it to even a single paragraph.

Isn't that just wonderful though.  So many meanings for so many people - we'll never be bored.
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« Reply #287 on: October 26, 2015, 03:13:20 am »

I don't mind.  I was so very disappointed when the 1980s fashion for ruffled shirts and brocade vests and leather trousers went away.  It taught me that if ever something I actually wore and liked became fashionable I should stock up on it, because however attractive and necessary the garments seem to me, the fashion world flies differently and changes on a whim.

It's always a bit disorienting when one's fandom is noticed by the mainstream.  I like it, though; it brings more eyes and more creativity to the table.  In my opinion it is better than being ignored, marginalized, or belittled.
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« Reply #288 on: October 26, 2015, 09:57:39 am »

this is what scares me:
http://www.feestwinkelxl.nl/steampunk-kostuum

I don;t think I have to translate what the site says for you to understand, right?
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« Reply #289 on: October 26, 2015, 02:25:54 pm »

My main measure of how mainstream it is comes from the shows I do.  I do "regular" arts and crafts shows.  At first I got a lot of questions about what it was, what was steampunk.  Then over time it seemed everybody just knew it was steampunk.  At the last show almost know one mentioned steampunk, but many people mentioned Jules Verne.  It was a relatively old crowd, it that means anything.
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« Reply #290 on: October 26, 2015, 06:43:50 pm »

this is what scares me:
http://www.feestwinkelxl.nl/steampunk-kostuum

I don;t think I have to translate what the site says for you to understand, right?


I tend to view things like that as Mostly Harmless.
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« Reply #291 on: November 02, 2015, 12:01:02 pm »

Out of curiosity, I picked up a woo-looking business card the other day. For someone who is an insight hunter, artist and alchemist. Yep. I was surprised when looking at their websites to see photos of them with canes and tophats with googles on. The website felt a bit like someone had put a red line over the word Wicca and written Steampunk instead. Is that the future of it, becoming the new wicca?
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« Reply #292 on: November 02, 2015, 12:58:34 pm »

I see this thread and honestly it crawls all over me......  I am one of the ones who only found steam fairly recently.


 I am not trying to find fault, but......   If you sincerely enjoy the Victorian underpinnings and creative re-interpretation of history, then other people diving in wont bother you.  The availability of garments (ready made or not) will please you.  You will be glad to add a few pieces to expand your garb.  Other people's coming in would be welcomed since their addition of stories and art will give you more entertainment options.


But.....    If you revel in it because it is counter culture, off beat, different,  or because you need to feel elitist and apart from common people, then you wont be happy with it becoming more known.   But since you dont love steam for itself, but only for being unique, you can always choose a new oddity to embrace.


This will offend some I am sure, and I apologize, but it simply seems to me, anyone who loves steampunk style and fashion and creations would only be happy to be able to find a steampunk pub more easily.

If you find someone "cheapening the brand" then dont patronize them.   Other than that they wont affect you unless you let them.   
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« Reply #293 on: November 02, 2015, 04:38:07 pm »

this is what scares me:
http://www.feestwinkelxl.nl/steampunk-kostuum

I don;t think I have to translate what the site says for you to understand, right?




AAAAHHHHHHHHH! What the whating what is that!?



Mr Reid. Whilst I appreciate the sentiment, even you have to admit that this moustache is an affront to common decency. It is an unnatural abomination. We are in the business of making the world dapper sir, we do not make monsters. Ok some of us do, but not naff ones. That upper lip has spawned Satan himself and I'm speed dialling the Vatican rapid response unit on hands free as I type.
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« Reply #294 on: November 02, 2015, 05:53:45 pm »

this is what scares me:
http://www.feestwinkelxl.nl/steampunk-kostuum

I don;t think I have to translate what the site says for you to understand, right?




AAAAHHHHHHHHH! What the whating what is that!?



Mr Reid. Whilst I appreciate the sentiment, even you have to admit that this moustache is an affront to common decency. It is an unnatural abomination. We are in the business of making the world dapper sir, we do not make monsters. Ok some of us do, but not naff ones. That upper lip has spawned Satan himself and I'm speed dialling the Vatican rapid response unit on hands free as I type.


Oh goodness, it's simply someone who has stuck some gears onto a standard pirate costume.

While I personally would not put something so spokey immediately next to my eye, I see no harm in it.

The more minds contemplating the steampunk ethos, the more chances of something interesting burbling up.
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« Reply #295 on: November 02, 2015, 06:02:47 pm »

And a magical floaty hat no less......
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« Reply #296 on: November 02, 2015, 06:07:53 pm »

I see this thread and honestly it crawls all over me......  I am one of the ones who only found steam fairly recently.

Remainder excised in the interest of brevity
Mr. Reid, you've expressed my own sentiments quite concisely.
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« Reply #297 on: November 02, 2015, 06:09:04 pm »

And a magical floaty hat no less......

To be fair, one cannot really properly manage a menacing upward glance from a lowered face in a cocked hat.  The front point always gets in the way.

I imagine this is some sort of collage of images.
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« Reply #298 on: November 02, 2015, 06:10:01 pm »

I understand your dismay, but I compare it to martial arts.

25 years I studied, taught, ate, slept, breathed it.  We had uniforms and it had a serious honor system of rank.

But every halloween kids and grown idiots dress like "ninja" and act the fool.

Does any of that tarnish the history and honor of having a grandmaster teach you in person?  Or does it reduce the student's hard won skill?

These "costume wearers" cant diminish the value of a hand sewn corsette or a well done prop.   In fact, consider the person as "showing interest" but in an ignorant way.   They might be taught better.

I promise if I show to a gathering with a chincy costume and,see it beside the works,of true makers, I would be inspired to do better.
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« Reply #299 on: November 02, 2015, 06:14:41 pm »

I see this thread and honestly it crawls all over me......  I am one of the ones who only found steam fairly recently.

Remainder excised in the interest of brevity
Mr. Reid, you've expressed my own sentiments quite concisely.

I too feel that dismay at popular attention given to one's subculture is misdirected.

Nothing enlivens a culture so much as an influx of minds.  That many of them are only lightly acquainted with the conventions does no harm, and the possibilities of new thought and creativity are invaluable.
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