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Author Topic: Is Steampunk Becoming Too Mainstream?  (Read 48118 times)
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« Reply #150 on: July 28, 2008, 12:03:32 am »

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a hypothetical Jules Verne Society,


Miss Navane,

Upon reading your post, I thought I point out this north American Jules Verne society actually does exist

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as well as society's across the world.

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« Reply #151 on: July 28, 2008, 12:18:27 am »

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a hypothetical Jules Verne Society,


Miss Navane,

Upon reading your post, I thought I point out this north American Jules Verne society actually does exist

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as well as society's across the world.

 Smiley

respectfully

R. Hellyer



that quote wasn't from me, it was from H. MacHinery.
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« Reply #152 on: July 28, 2008, 01:30:08 am »


- Now that Mr Nakamura(?) has saved society from the Great Steampunk Scare of 2008, and thus unintentionally(?) saved us from the threat of mainstreaming, can we rest easy?




Where is this post aforementioned?


See this thread: http://www.brassgoggles.co.uk/bg-forum/index.php?topic=10552.0
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« Reply #153 on: July 28, 2008, 03:50:47 am »

And how, pray tell, does that post about the community help solve the problems?

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« Reply #154 on: July 28, 2008, 04:44:07 am »

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« Reply #155 on: August 01, 2008, 12:38:16 am »

Definite No vote from me for creating any kind of 'Formal' organisation. I mean, its like women. Do you ever notice how well you're getting on with one. And then they mention the word 'relationship'? By he way: I'm not being sexist. 'cause I think the average woman is far superior to the average man. Its only that I'm superior to the average. Sorry!
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« Reply #156 on: August 01, 2008, 12:51:48 pm »

"I think the average woman is far superior to the average man."

And that is not sexist how exactly?
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« Reply #157 on: August 01, 2008, 03:32:34 pm »

"I think the average woman is far superior to the average man."

And that is not sexist how exactly?

It's not sexist, it's reverse-sexist Tongue
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« Reply #158 on: August 01, 2008, 08:25:09 pm »

"I think the average woman is far superior to the average man."

And that is not sexist how exactly?

It's not sexist, it's reverse-sexist Tongue

Sexism is no more restricted to the simple denigration of women then racism is restricted to the hatred of only black people.
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« Reply #159 on: August 02, 2008, 01:35:43 am »

"I think the average woman is far superior to the average man."

And that is not sexist how exactly?

It's not sexist, it's reverse-sexist Tongue
Hows about reverse contextualist post-modernist some-of-best-friends-are-women [including my boss] I'm-a-masculine-but-not-macho-man in a post feminist world-ism. ? You what?
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« Reply #160 on: August 02, 2008, 06:14:04 am »

"I think the average woman is far superior to the average man."

And that is not sexist how exactly?

It's not sexist, it's reverse-sexist Tongue

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There is no such %$*&^ing thing as "reverse" discrimination. Discrimination is discrimination, pure and bloody simple. Newspeak terms like "reverse-(blank)ism" are nothing more than disingenuous political-correctivism carefully calculated to convince us to accept something that would otherwise (and quite rightly) lead to rioting in the bloody streets.
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I apologize for that, but political correctionism does tend to lift my safeties.

To return to the present topic, someone else (and I'm currently far too lazy to determine who) has observed, quite rightly in my opinion, that Steampunk need little fear being sucked into the mainstream: we're far too eclectic, and far too eccentric, to ever be succesfully surrounded and corraled by mainstream/prefabricated culture's conception of what "is."

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« Reply #161 on: August 02, 2008, 06:18:00 am »

Seems that my attempt at a joke was taken a bit too seriously.  Figured the smiley would have given it away... Ah well.  No offense was intended and I'm not really a fan of overly PC language.  I was actually attempting to poke fun at it.  Apparently it just didn't turn out the way I hoped.
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« Reply #162 on: August 02, 2008, 06:41:19 am »

Dreadfully sorry, sir, but poking fun at things just isn't politically correct...
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« Reply #163 on: August 02, 2008, 07:38:38 am »

Remember what Marx said about membership of clubs/organisations.

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« Reply #164 on: August 02, 2008, 07:52:11 am »

Remember what Marx said about membership of clubs/organisations.

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Karl or Groucho?
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« Reply #165 on: August 02, 2008, 07:56:01 am »

Remember what Marx said about membership of clubs/organisations.

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Karl or Groucho?

The clever one, of course.
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« Reply #166 on: August 02, 2008, 08:08:04 am »

Actually, I was rather under the impression it was Oscar Wilde who said that.

No matter – if he didn't, I'm sure he will...
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« Reply #167 on: August 02, 2008, 02:01:59 pm »

Miss Navane,

I tender my heartfelt apology's if my post misrepresented the origin of that quote and for any confusion that may have come from it.

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« Reply #168 on: August 02, 2008, 02:09:34 pm »

Ladies & Gentleman,

the true scale of embrace for steampunk wont be felt until the middle of next year.  In this thread http://www.brassgoggles.co.uk/bg-forum/index.php?topic=10807.0on the new movies coming out, there are a few that will be big budget with a heavy marketing campaign.


if they are done well, they will capture the public's imagination and if the companies smeel currency in the aether, they will heavily market to the public's latest trend.  Which leaves me or perhaps us in a quandary, do we wish the films to do badly to maintain our quasi - under the radar existence or do we support the well made films and deal with the spotlight on the subculture as best we can ?


Already this past June at the Origins gaming convention my business partner who attend told me there was a huge amount of goggles for sale by retailers.

Will make for an interesting year,


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« Reply #169 on: August 02, 2008, 03:02:34 pm »

the true scale of embrace for steampunk wont be felt until the middle of next year.  In this thread http://www.brassgoggles.co.uk/bg-forum/index.php?topic=10807.0on the new movies coming out, there are a few that will be big budget with a heavy marketing campaign.

if they are done well, they will capture the public's imagination and if the companies smeel currency in the aether, they will heavily market to the public's latest trend.  Which leaves me or perhaps us in a quandary, do we wish the films to do badly to maintain our quasi - under the radar existence or do we support the well made films and deal with the spotlight on the subculture as best we can ?


I had similar thoughts when I saw the thread about the forthcoming movies, but I very much doubt whether the new films will portray the full spectrum of interests and influences that we see at this forum. Steampunks who get a kick out of making and doing things will just have more films to see and the accompanying merchandising will likely be mostly cheap tat.  Any trickle-down effect into popular culture will surely only make the world a better place to live if people start sharing some of the values that we appreciate.  I'm not sure that our sort of stuff can be mass-produced.

I'm still thinking about these things - I'll go back to lurking......

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« Reply #170 on: August 02, 2008, 04:12:07 pm »

What are these movies? All I can think of are Journey to the Center of the Earth and that Lost World Will Ferrel movie.
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« Reply #171 on: August 02, 2008, 04:14:10 pm »

What are these movies? All I can think of are Journey to the Center of the Earth and that Lost World Will Ferrel movie.


See Roderick Hellyer's post above.

http://io9.com/5032199/scifi-movies-finally-catching-up-to-novels-and-going-steampunk

City of Ember
Mutant Chronicles
Here Be Monsters!
Larklight
Bioshock
The Adventures of Luther Arkwright
The Diamond Age    "On a scale of one to steamy, this miniseries is an iPhone tucked into a tophat."
                            Oh dear........  And with George Clooney producing.

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« Reply #172 on: August 02, 2008, 06:18:37 pm »

Already this past June at the Origins gaming convention my business partner who attend told me there was a huge amount of goggles for sale by retailers.

Yes because we all know that only steampunks wear goggles. Also, that nerds set the fashion trends of the nation, as seen during the Pocket-Protector Scare of 1945.
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« Reply #173 on: August 02, 2008, 06:38:43 pm »

What are these movies? All I can think of are Journey to the Center of the Earth and that Lost World Will Ferrel movie.


See Roderick Hellyer's post above.

http://io9.com/5032199/scifi-movies-finally-catching-up-to-novels-and-going-steampunk

City of Ember
Mutant Chronicles
Here Be Monsters!
Larklight
Bioshock
The Adventures of Luther Arkwright
The Diamond Age    "On a scale of one to steamy, this miniseries is an iPhone tucked into a tophat."
                            Oh dear........  And with George Clooney producing.

Orlando.


Ok, this doesn't tell us when any of them are coming out!
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« Reply #174 on: August 02, 2008, 07:53:46 pm »

Having Steampunk go commercial, mainstream or how ever one want to describe should really mean very little to anyone truly interested in it. By its very nature Steampunk is what each and every one of us wants to make of it. Personally I could care less if some multi-national corporation with huge factories in China decides to start making goggles by the bushel basket full. Good for them. I simply won’t buy any and for those that do…well they are missing most of what is really fun.  Besides as mentioned earlier in this thread all of these new adherents to the theme will grow board and move on to whatever the next corporately exploited subject may turn out to be. Everything is like this, it is simply the way the world is.
 
My favorite author is H. Rider Haggard and while his work is not really Steampunk in the truest sense it fits in well enough with the concept to be used here as an example. I love Haggard’s work and King’s Solomon’s Mines is an incredible story that has been made into some of the most horrible film versions. Each film – I can think of three off the top of my head – has failed to capture the true sense of time and place, not to mention the overriding sense of mysticism that pervades the story. Does this mean I should somehow feel that Haggard’s work is no longer worthy of my attention because some money grubbing Hollywood hack has no idea what real film making could or should be? No and quite the contrary. These horrible films have only made me appreciate the greatness of Haggard’s work even more.

The same should be true with Steampunk. Keep as true as possible to your chosen life style, hobby, passion, - whatever it may be to you and the passing “fad” aspect of Steampunk will do just that and pass.

Also a note of the environmentalism and Steampunk comments. For some reason – to me at least – the two are almost polar opposites, in outward appearances at least. I have always thought that there was a dystopian Victorian element in the subject matter not to mention love of steam engines, rusty cogwheels, machinery and gigantic electrical contrivances.  Am I wrong here? Did something change? Is Steampunk going green? Oh well perhaps it is just another example of it going mainstream!
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