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Author Topic: Is Steampunk Becoming Too Mainstream?  (Read 47999 times)
Sir Vrilhelm Dreadnaught
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« Reply #125 on: July 20, 2008, 01:24:40 am »

In my job I have to deal with five 'ancient' air compression pumps which send water 15 stories up. They are 40+ years old. There was talk of 'modernisation'. I pointed out there was nothing 'modern' which could replace, surpass, or improve these marvelous machines. They made them to last back in the Day. And they have. They remind me of me. So be you. Thats 'Steampunk' folks. If it ain't broke, don't fix. Especially if they have brass.
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Albert Bagstock
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« Reply #126 on: July 20, 2008, 12:14:58 pm »

Well, I'm in Australia, and certainly here there's no chance of it becoming mainstream. Up until yesterday I thought I was the only steampunk between here and Brisbane (which is, for reference, several thousand miles). Steampunk fashions could well become mainstream - I've already seen Demonia make a hideously commercial, mass produced "steampunk" boot - but the sub culture in general could not become mainstream. And since steampunk rejects the mass production and commercialism of the 21st century, anyone who tries to hack in to the sub culture by wearing cheap, mass produced fashion is going to find themselves on the outer before they even get in. If people want to adopt a pose because it's cool, they'll pick goth - it's more extreme (which appeals to posers) and a hell of a lot easier to blend in.
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« Reply #127 on: July 20, 2008, 07:31:55 pm »

I don't know. The town where I live is pretty steamy. This is what you see driving in:
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and just a short shot from here is the Brooks Annual Steam Up at Antique Powerland http://www.antiquepowerland.com/
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« Reply #128 on: July 20, 2008, 07:42:23 pm »

that is too cool. Wish I lived there.
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« Reply #129 on: July 20, 2008, 08:39:57 pm »

I don't know. The town where I live is pretty steamy. This is what you see driving in:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
and just a short shot from here is the Brooks Annual Steam Up at Antique Powerland http://www.antiquepowerland.com/


What state is that located in? I'm going to have to commandeer that.
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chromegrrrl
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« Reply #130 on: July 20, 2008, 09:31:08 pm »

I don't know. The town where I live is pretty steamy. This is what you see driving in:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
and just a short shot from here is the Brooks Annual Steam Up at Antique Powerland http://www.antiquepowerland.com/


What state is that located in? I'm going to have to commandeer that.

I'm in Oregon. LOL if you promise to leave our sign alone I'll show you where a big cache of iron gears can be found free for the taking. (But it's a bit of a hike and iron gears are heavy, bring a 4 wheeler with a tow behind)
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« Reply #131 on: July 20, 2008, 10:30:02 pm »

I don't know. The town where I live is pretty steamy. This is what you see driving in:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
and just a short shot from here is the Brooks Annual Steam Up at Antique Powerland http://www.antiquepowerland.com/


What state is that located in? I'm going to have to commandeer that.

I'm in Oregon. LOL if you promise to leave our sign alone I'll show you where a big cache of iron gears can be found free for the taking. (But it's a bit of a hike and iron gears are heavy, bring a 4 wheeler with a tow behind)


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« Reply #132 on: July 20, 2008, 10:54:16 pm »

I have no fear of Steampunk becoming corrupted.  And I think this very thread is evidence as to why.  I’ve been online for many years, I’ve lurked more forums than I can remember and yet here is the first and only place I’ve seen a discussion between persons with differing views end in friendly understanding.

There are de-motivator posters that depict “Internet Fights” as a shouting match between a Child and a Jackass.  I have seen this everywhere but here.  I can’t say if this civil attitude is bread from the Steampunk subculture or if the subculture is bread from this attitude.  We are all individuals, we all do our own thing, we all innovate in our own way and we’ve attuned a kind of mutual respect.  The simple idea of treating others how you wish to be treated is alive and well here.

Something like that can’t really be corrupted or imitated, you have to live it to get it.  If someone wants to start with a “My brass is brassier than your brass!” argument, then they haven’t really found the spirit of Steampunk.  You can’t sell an ideal, though many have tried.  You can only sell accessories.

Since the ideal varies from person to person, it can never be taken away.  We only need to remain true to ourselves and the rest will fall into place.
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« Reply #133 on: July 21, 2008, 02:35:08 am »

Yes, I've noticed this too. I've been on local a goth forum for a long time, and there it was just constant arguing and name calling - usually about who was 'more goth'. I've been on this forum for three days, and already I can see how much more mature the content is. I like it.
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Zastrozzi
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« Reply #134 on: July 21, 2008, 12:34:37 pm »


No, I'm suggesting that I'd really, really like a Lucy Liu robot army.
Oh dear goodness! Imagine what kind of chaos that would cause if ever there was ever another Charlie's Angels movie.
Let's hope that they'll never, NEVER reanimate that franchise.

I think the depressingly obscure "Interracial Lesbian Threesome" genre would be the perfect niche for further installations.

Wow, threads get awesomely offtrack when we start talking about lesbian robots. Wonder why that is?

And you wonder why we get spam problems when people post the words 'Interracial Lesbian Threesome'...
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« Reply #135 on: July 23, 2008, 08:08:25 pm »


And you wonder why we get spam problems when people post the words 'Interracial Lesbian Threesome'...

how do you think i found this place?
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« Reply #136 on: July 24, 2008, 04:24:04 am »

Rationality is boring. I'd much rather fight dragons with a lightning zeppelin while my army of Lucy Liu robot clones watch.

No, I'm suggesting that I'd really, really like a Lucy Liu robot army.


Ok, give me another year or so, and I'll get you one.
Right now I'm writing a steampunk flight simulator game.    I'm going to stick everything in there, such as steam powered aircraft, air kraken to fight, sky pirates that bring down other aircraft etc...  and always planned to have giant robots as well.    Now of course, they might as well be Lucy Liu shaped giant robots.  Smiley
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Sir Vrilhelm Dreadnaught
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« Reply #137 on: July 26, 2008, 12:46:59 am »

Rationality is boring. I'd much rather fight dragons with a lightning zeppelin while my army of Lucy Liu robot clones watch.

No, I'm suggesting that I'd really, really like a Lucy Liu robot army.


Ok, give me another year or so, and I'll get you one.
Right now I'm writing a steampunk flight simulator game.    I'm going to stick everything in there, such as steam powered aircraft, air kraken to fight, sky pirates that bring down other aircraft etc...  and always planned to have giant robots as well.    Now of course, they might as well be Lucy Liu shaped giant robots.  Smiley

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« Reply #138 on: July 26, 2008, 03:08:39 pm »

Good Day Ladies & Gentleman,

It seems the fear of dilution by the mainstream body of (insert your country type here) is not as rampant as it first appeared to be. Which is good! Grin

That said, I pose you all a slightly modified question on steampunk and organization. 

Do you feel that steampunk would grow into an organization like say the SCA (started as a birthday party in a California backyard) or the Shriners or the Masons or a union even? Where there was organization with rankings (like the apprentice model...no not the TV show) for crafters (whether they work in code or wool or brass or steam) and other organized outlets of creativity as well?

Please note I am not advocating for such a structure or saying it should not happen either...I was SCA for many years (from the 1980s) and saw what growth can bring both good and bad to a group. (as wellas the good of organized hierarchy's and the bad of unrestrained egos run wild drunk with psudeo power ) I sincerely wonder what people think as to the future development of steampunk within steampunk...

Cheerful Note to the Moderators: If you feel this constitutes a new thread please feel free to repackage the post as such or contact me to do so..

Respectfully

R. Hellyer
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« Reply #139 on: July 26, 2008, 07:10:26 pm »

Good Day Ladies & Gentleman,

It seems the fear of dilution by the mainstream body of (insert your country type here) is not as rampant as it first appeared to be. Which is good! Grin

That said, I pose you all a slightly modified question on steampunk and organization. 

Do you feel that steampunk would grow into an organization like say the SCA (started as a birthday party in a California backyard) or the Shriners or the Masons or a union even? Where there was organization with rankings (like the apprentice model...no not the TV show) for crafters (whether they work in code or wool or brass or steam) and other organized outlets of creativity as well?

Please note I am not advocating for such a structure or saying it should not happen either...I was SCA for many years (from the 1980s) and saw what growth can bring both good and bad to a group. (as wellas the good of organized hierarchy's and the bad of unrestrained egos run wild drunk with psudeo power ) I sincerely wonder what people think as to the future development of steampunk within steampunk...

Cheerful Note to the Moderators: If you feel this constitutes a new thread please feel free to repackage the post as such or contact me to do so..

Respectfully

R. Hellyer

Lots of things ...

- I think our brand of anachronism is more creative than that of the SCA. Has to be, since we are not directly emulating any time period(s) that actually existed, but rather a chroniferous amalgam (I just corned that phrase and hereby release it to the public domain) of past, present and future.


- How about the Steampunk Illuminati, hmmm?

Meh.


- Now that Mr Nakamura(?) has saved society from the Great Steampunk Scare of 2008, and thus unintentionally(?) saved us from the threat of mainstreaming, can we rest easy?

Dunno.


Ohwell, this keyboard is being a PITA, and besides I don't feel much like thinking today, so that's all.

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« Reply #140 on: July 26, 2008, 09:04:15 pm »

Old professor Bear,

I agree to the meh steampunk Illuminati ... well...kinda... actually..would make a great story seed...

but thats for a different section of our august  forum.

as for Mr. nakamuras actions meaning we can rest on our gears...I agree... Dunno! (dam mainstream agents everywhere you look- makes the great game seem tame by comparison  Cheesy)

Hope the keyboard improves and you have a good day,

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« Reply #141 on: July 26, 2008, 09:23:14 pm »

Personally I feel the situation is fine as it is right now:nicely unorganized.I think it is one of the things that draws me to Steampunk:there is no clear definition of what it is and you can make it your own.
I don't have the urge to belong to an organization.....
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« Reply #142 on: July 26, 2008, 10:56:48 pm »

Personally I feel the situation is fine as it is right now:nicely unorganized.I think it is one of the things that draws me to Steampunk:there is no clear definition of what it is and you can make it your own.
I don't have the urge to belong to an organization.....


I agree with this one.  I belong to organizations for other things, and, I find that the best organizations have a stated purpose, even if it's just to organize get-togethers...while an organization offering, say, apprenticeships in fabrication or modding might serve well for those stated purposes, it wouldn't necessarily be a "steampunk organization", as there might be multiple aesthetics represented in the work, and each organization (whether for modders, for authors, for musicians, or whatever) wouldn't really have space for the other activities.  Perhaps they could run like guilds in the SCA, but then we'd have that problem mentioned by OldProfessorBear, that our brand of anachronism is perhaps too creative to fit well within the bounds of an organization.

I don't much have the urge to add to my organization collection either; and besides, what would make it the Steampunk Organization?  Would it copyright the word/genre?  There are more than a few authors who would object to that.
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« Reply #143 on: July 26, 2008, 11:22:59 pm »

I have a horrible feeling that if Steampunk did grow into an organisation like SCA etc it would cause real havoc with the debates about what and who is and isn't steampunk - because for many people I suspect it would boil down to this: if you're in the organisation, you're steampunk; and if you're not, you're not.

And then you'd get people not joining and declaring themsleves more steam<i>punk</i> than <i>steam</i>punk and thus better, or more steampunk, than those who joined.

Adding in the idea of apprenticeships makes me shudder more, especially with rankings. It says (OK - could say) to people, especially those outside the subculture and those new to it,  "steampunks have a hierarchy, and some-one who can do <craft> better than someone else is a higher ranking steampunk"; even if that intent was never there and it was only set up to help people make progress and feel good about what they've achieved.

Of course, it may very well not turn out like that - I just had a sudden bleak turn of mind Smiley
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« Reply #144 on: July 27, 2008, 04:12:58 am »

Please do not kill the questioner... Shocked

I just want to restate that

I am not in favor of starting said organization

I just wanted to see what others thought about it...

Because I could a situation occurring where some one tries
to do just that...to capitalize on the sub culture beyond a local club or event
to try to make it all fit into there idea of steampunk.  That to me would kill this cold for me
in a NY minute.  I left the SCA because I had found it grew to big while at the same time more and more restrictive. It stopped being fun and started to feel like work.

so please don't let loose the Krakens on me...  Wink

sincerely

R. Hellyer





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« Reply #145 on: July 27, 2008, 02:27:42 pm »

We're in agreement with you it would seem Smiley

My reply wasn't aimed at you, it was just my thoughts on what I could see might happen if some-one did start such a thing.
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« Reply #146 on: July 27, 2008, 07:50:50 pm »

I don't think we could become like SCA if we tried, because while they're all about structure and such we seem to be an overall pretty unstructured bunch. And only some of us like the whole roleplaying thing.
I'm only now starting to become involved with our local SCA group--only going to the meetings because our fencing club is meeting right before them over the summer.  Last one i went to was Bardic Circle which I enjoyed because I love telling stories.  However previous experience is that most of the SCA takes itself way too seriously.  We'll see how it goes.
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« Reply #147 on: July 27, 2008, 08:37:47 pm »


- Now that Mr Nakamura(?) has saved society from the Great Steampunk Scare of 2008, and thus unintentionally(?) saved us from the threat of mainstreaming, can we rest easy?



Where is this post aforementioned?
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« Reply #148 on: July 27, 2008, 08:47:55 pm »

I don't think we could become like SCA if we tried, because while they're all about structure and such we seem to be an overall pretty unstructured bunch. And only some of us like the whole roleplaying thing.
I'm only now starting to become involved with our local SCA group--only going to the meetings because our fencing club is meeting right before them over the summer.  Last one i went to was Bardic Circle which I enjoyed because I love telling stories.  However previous experience is that most of the SCA takes itself way too seriously.  We'll see how it goes.

I  think that the SCA has a good deal more well-defined activities that lend themselves to organization, while SP is so fluid as to almost prohibit  an organizational activity.  You could get some specific SP organizations - a hypothetical Jules Verne Society, with a penchant for historically accurate dress, manners, and advanced science without the changes in mores, but that would only encompass a fraction of the SP world.  The best way to look at it is that SP is like the entire "midieval Re-enactment" trope, with the SCA being one facet.
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« Reply #149 on: July 27, 2008, 08:55:39 pm »


Just had a peek at the SCA site... Shocked

...certainly not for me.


But good luck to the folks who enjoy it.
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