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	<title>Comments on: The Steampunk/Dieselpunk overlap &#8211; some thoughts.</title>
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	<description>The lighter side of Steampunk</description>
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		<title>By: The_Hustler</title>
		<link>http://brassgoggles.co.uk/blog/200911/the-steampunkdieselpunk-overlap-some-thoughts/comment-page-1#comment-188568</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Hustler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because it&#039;s utilitarian doesn&#039;t mean it can&#039;t be comfortable and stylish. Besides - wicker can break with lots of use, whilst leather just gets more comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because it&#39;s utilitarian doesn&#39;t mean it can&#39;t be comfortable and stylish. Besides &#8211; wicker can break with lots of use, whilst leather just gets more comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Sky Pirate Brewer</title>
		<link>http://brassgoggles.co.uk/blog/200911/the-steampunkdieselpunk-overlap-some-thoughts/comment-page-1#comment-188416</link>
		<dc:creator>Sky Pirate Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 07:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leather seats?  That&#039;s not utilitarian!  The Ford Tri-Motor had wicker seats.  See:  &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Ford_4-AT_cabin_interior_06.06R.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sky Pirate Brewer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leather seats?  That&#39;s not utilitarian!  The Ford Tri-Motor had wicker seats.  See:  <br /><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Ford_4-AT_cabin_interior_06.06R.jpg" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6.." rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6..</a>.</p>
<p>Sky Pirate Brewer</p>
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		<title>By: The_Hustler</title>
		<link>http://brassgoggles.co.uk/blog/200911/the-steampunkdieselpunk-overlap-some-thoughts/comment-page-1#comment-188414</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Hustler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 04:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People always seem to need to categorise things - there used to be Rock and Roll, and now there&#039;s hundreds of sub divisions. For me (having only just got into Steampunk) I feel it is more of a catch-all title for alternative-history/technology - the title doesn&#039;t say Victorian or Edwardian.&lt;br&gt;And I agree about the de Havilland Dragon Rapide - it was the first ever plane I flew on in 1979 (7 years old) and the interior is (to my mind) similar to the utilitarian end of the Steampunk spectrum. Designed for function over form. Leather chairs and slide-open windows if you get too hot :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/875/20177850.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/875/2...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People always seem to need to categorise things &#8211; there used to be Rock and Roll, and now there&#39;s hundreds of sub divisions. For me (having only just got into Steampunk) I feel it is more of a catch-all title for alternative-history/technology &#8211; the title doesn&#39;t say Victorian or Edwardian.<br />And I agree about the de Havilland Dragon Rapide &#8211; it was the first ever plane I flew on in 1979 (7 years old) and the interior is (to my mind) similar to the utilitarian end of the Steampunk spectrum. Designed for function over form. Leather chairs and slide-open windows if you get too hot <img src='http://brassgoggles.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /><a href="http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/875/20177850.JPG" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/875/2.." rel="nofollow">http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/875/2..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rooksmoor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rooksmoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both steampunk, dieselpunk and before them cyberpunk, played around with &#039;real&#039; history/future anyway.  Yes, large-scale dirigibles did not come until the 1910s, the large bombing Zeppelins of the First World War almost killed my great aunt, but an aspect of steampunk is that it is anachronistic and takes back technology from its true period to an earlier one, just as Jules Verne took what he anticipated would be invented and inserted it into his own times.  In my stories I generally have inventions which existed but send them back 20-40 years, usually into the mid-Victorian period, to see their impact on that earlier period and its society.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The UK is a country which has always had anachronisms.  In the 1960s you could easily travel on an electric train, a diesel train and a steam train on a single long journey.  Conversely, you could take electric trains from Munich into the Alps before the First World War.  Often technology is like the human species and you have Neanderthals still living alongside Cro Magnon man.  Look at how many houses in the UK still have coal fires when others have electricity, oil or gas and an increasing number are using solar panel and in Southampton even geo-thermal power.  Some of this technology would be commonplace to a person of 1950 whereas others would have been &#039;science fiction&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think one characteristic of steampunk and dieselpunk fans is our interest in the neanderthals of technology.  This species of human was supposedly more sensitive and could possibly have become the dominant human species, but it died out.  We are interested in things like that for technology and from that what sort of society would have come about if that technology had become dominant.  AC current almost lost out to DC current; we could have had Betamax as the dominant video form over VHS, very often fashion or good public relations rather than efficiency means that one technology wins out over another.  It is up to us to think about what things would have looked like if we had gone up a different path in technology&#039;s evolution and then put into the context that we find it most thought-provoking to be set in, whether that is 1780, 1860, 1920 or 1955 or even now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both steampunk, dieselpunk and before them cyberpunk, played around with &#39;real&#39; history/future anyway.  Yes, large-scale dirigibles did not come until the 1910s, the large bombing Zeppelins of the First World War almost killed my great aunt, but an aspect of steampunk is that it is anachronistic and takes back technology from its true period to an earlier one, just as Jules Verne took what he anticipated would be invented and inserted it into his own times.  In my stories I generally have inventions which existed but send them back 20-40 years, usually into the mid-Victorian period, to see their impact on that earlier period and its society.</p>
<p>The UK is a country which has always had anachronisms.  In the 1960s you could easily travel on an electric train, a diesel train and a steam train on a single long journey.  Conversely, you could take electric trains from Munich into the Alps before the First World War.  Often technology is like the human species and you have Neanderthals still living alongside Cro Magnon man.  Look at how many houses in the UK still have coal fires when others have electricity, oil or gas and an increasing number are using solar panel and in Southampton even geo-thermal power.  Some of this technology would be commonplace to a person of 1950 whereas others would have been &#39;science fiction&#39;.</p>
<p>I think one characteristic of steampunk and dieselpunk fans is our interest in the neanderthals of technology.  This species of human was supposedly more sensitive and could possibly have become the dominant human species, but it died out.  We are interested in things like that for technology and from that what sort of society would have come about if that technology had become dominant.  AC current almost lost out to DC current; we could have had Betamax as the dominant video form over VHS, very often fashion or good public relations rather than efficiency means that one technology wins out over another.  It is up to us to think about what things would have looked like if we had gone up a different path in technology&#39;s evolution and then put into the context that we find it most thought-provoking to be set in, whether that is 1780, 1860, 1920 or 1955 or even now.</p>
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		<title>By: Arael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I can&#039;t get the Indiana Jones theme out of my head &gt;_&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I can&#39;t get the Indiana Jones theme out of my head &gt;_&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: Crimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far as pure time periods go it&#039;s impossible to clearly classify I would think. Many elements of traditional steam power, Diesel power and electric power existed side by side from the late 1800&#039;s up into the 1970&#039;s from what I&#039;ve seen and read. I would be all for a separate subforum for &quot;Dieselpunk&quot; in that the primary difference I&#039;ve noted between the genre&#039;s ( in a broad sense at any rate ) is a cleanliness and ornateness VS a grittiness and functional form devoid of aesthetics. The steampunk robot is the Metropolis Gynoid whereas the Dieselpunk robot is closer to a T-800.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far as pure time periods go it&#39;s impossible to clearly classify I would think. Many elements of traditional steam power, Diesel power and electric power existed side by side from the late 1800&#39;s up into the 1970&#39;s from what I&#39;ve seen and read. I would be all for a separate subforum for &#8220;Dieselpunk&#8221; in that the primary difference I&#39;ve noted between the genre&#39;s ( in a broad sense at any rate ) is a cleanliness and ornateness VS a grittiness and functional form devoid of aesthetics. The steampunk robot is the Metropolis Gynoid whereas the Dieselpunk robot is closer to a T-800.</p>
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		<title>By: edwardpearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>edwardpearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly Dieselpunk is just what kids that don&#039;t know any better are calling PULP. Today anyone with an alternate history concept slaps a &quot;-punk&quot; on the end of it as if it somehow makes it better. I was told of someone seeing &quot;WWIIpunk&quot; this evening. No I&#039;m not making this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly Dieselpunk is just what kids that don&#39;t know any better are calling PULP. Today anyone with an alternate history concept slaps a &#8220;-punk&#8221; on the end of it as if it somehow makes it better. I was told of someone seeing &#8220;WWIIpunk&#8221; this evening. No I&#39;m not making this up.</p>
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		<title>By: J Lewis</title>
		<link>http://brassgoggles.co.uk/blog/200911/the-steampunkdieselpunk-overlap-some-thoughts/comment-page-1#comment-187418</link>
		<dc:creator>J Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think it is wrong to put people into categories. Like you I love the 1920&#039;s &amp; 30&#039;s and I like some of the inventions /look of the Georgian and Edwardian periods. My take on Steampunk which will cause controversy is taking the best bits and bringing them into the present with a modern take on them (e.g. using old typewriter parts to make a lap top!) .....so If I have to be in a category then I guess that makes me a &quot;Past Punker&quot;!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think it is wrong to put people into categories. Like you I love the 1920&#39;s &#038; 30&#39;s and I like some of the inventions /look of the Georgian and Edwardian periods. My take on Steampunk which will cause controversy is taking the best bits and bringing them into the present with a modern take on them (e.g. using old typewriter parts to make a lap top!) &#8230;..so If I have to be in a category then I guess that makes me a &#8220;Past Punker&#8221;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: J Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why on earth should we be be forced into categories. my take on Steampunk which will probably get me into trouble is not just Victorian but taking the best bits of our past and utilising them. It wasn&#039;t just Victorians who had some aesthetic items... and like you I love 1920&#039;s &amp; 30&#039;s and I love some parts of the Georgian and Edwardian times so perhaps I am not Steampunk I am literally &quot;Past Punk&quot; which I think incorporates all those of us with a love for the fabulous inventions of the past no matter what the era!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on earth should we be be forced into categories. my take on Steampunk which will probably get me into trouble is not just Victorian but taking the best bits of our past and utilising them. It wasn&#39;t just Victorians who had some aesthetic items&#8230; and like you I love 1920&#39;s &#038; 30&#39;s and I love some parts of the Georgian and Edwardian times so perhaps I am not Steampunk I am literally &#8220;Past Punk&#8221; which I think incorporates all those of us with a love for the fabulous inventions of the past no matter what the era!!</p>
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		<title>By: darkshines</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkshines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I adore both, I tend to read more Victorian literature and know more about the politics, but dress more 1920s/30s and adore music of the time. I guess my everyday, run of the mill lifestyle is 1920s, and then I &quot;dress up&quot; steampunk. There, I said it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-darkshines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I adore both, I tend to read more Victorian literature and know more about the politics, but dress more 1920s/30s and adore music of the time. I guess my everyday, run of the mill lifestyle is 1920s, and then I &#8220;dress up&#8221; steampunk. There, I said it.</p>
<p>-darkshines</p>
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